10/10/25 - From AI-Generated Music to Speaking Entire Applications Into Existence

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1. 0:04Woohoo! [Music] Woohoo! Woohoo! [Music]
2. 0:33S in his lonel. [Music]
3. 0:56Sitting in this lonely town wondering when things are going to change. Dream my life away. Seems these dreams have turned to a bunch glass.
4. 1:13Get my nerve up, but my past is pulling me down. Won't know how long black she going to stick around. [Music]
5. 1:32Somebody told me once before he said you can never go home again. Won't you leave saying thanks to steal me away yet from
6. 1:44the truth of who I am and what I believe. So I thanked him for his two sins with a handshake and some sympathy. Yeah.
7. 1:56I packed up my blue jeans. Get it for this big prize of my freedom. Bye-bye sheep to the black sheep of family.
8. 2:15Bye-bye. Oh, that means so very much to me. Yeah. Bye-bye, black sheep to my friends and my family.
9. 2:30[Music] Going to set my soul. Set it free. [Music] free
10. 2:44times that were changing. [Music] >> What's shaking? Good people. YouTube
11. 2:58comment. I did not see a YouTube comment. Um, can't post comments. Hold. There we go. Champion made me jump. I forgot I had the headset on.
12. 3:16[Music]
13. 3:34Woohoo! [Music]
14. 3:54Woohoo! [Music]
15. 4:15Happy Friday evening, good people. I hope you're doing well. Um, last night was a fun night. if you weren't here. It was one of those nights
16. 4:23where I just got a a silly idea and just went and built some [ __ ] or made a song. Me, too. I have Kyle in one and you
17. 4:34Kyle in one YouTube oh window and my daughter's boyfriend's basketball game in another and I couldn't see which one to mute.
18. 4:44Champion Champion will straighten you out. He knows He knows what needs to be done. You don't mess with Champ. He is the uh he is the master
19. 4:54of the blown out headphone. [Music]
20. 5:20All right, welcome everybody to the AI learning lab, part of the AI salon. That's the AI salon. Um, and uh I'm Kyle Shannon.
21. 5:36It's a handful of people here, so probably some Friday night date nighters. [Music]
22. 5:53I was listening to the song that I made last night with all of you and uh man do I like sappy minor key. I
23. 6:04used to in the 90s I called it crybaby girl rock. It's like Atlanta Morris set and all them that were just like
24. 6:13um but I just love it. There's something about it. It speaks to me. Speaks. It speaks to me. So I made one of those and
25. 6:21I'm I'm really happy with it. It's really a beautiful song. It's what's amazing is it's a like it's it's a song
26. 6:29that so normally with AI songs now I've I've written a ton of them now because I've spent a year and a half working on
27. 6:37a musical and then I you know do a fair amount of them in here and I do some on my own. Um they almost all feel like compromises.
28. 6:47The lyrics are kind of [ __ ] up or that one section's kind of [ __ ] up. this song we made last night. Like it it
29. 6:54doesn't feel like a compromise. It just feels like a song. Just feels like a song. It feels like a song that makes me happy.
30. 7:02Um it's kind of cool. I mean, it's it's it is pretty remarkable. We live in a in a world where you can literally speak things
31. 7:11into existence, which by the way, what's the it's the who's the uh the sci-fi writer that said any sufficiently advanced technology is
32. 7:25indistinguishable from magic. That's the That's the era we're in. [Music]
33. 7:48Nick P just joined. What's happening, Weaver? I'm starting to learn that magic has more of a meaning than just observation.
34. 7:59Yeah, you know, Weaver, the um the word abracadabra, I learned this when I first got into AI about I don't
35. 8:08know, three years ago, something like that, when I was first starting to play with this stuff. And I was I was talking about it feeling
36. 8:16like magic. And then someone someone shared with me you know the word abracadabra the root of it the definition of it is
37. 8:26as I speak I create. So abracadabra the magic word actually defines what generative AI is.
38. 8:41Arthur C. Clark was the magic quote. That's right. What's my Sunno handle? Um, would love to follow you. Cool. Um, hold please.
39. 8:57I think it's just Kyle Shannon, but I don't know. I try to make all my socials Kyle Shannon unless someone has it. And
40. 9:04I tend to because I follow this stuff early. I tend to get it. Oh, Sono. Sono.com doesn't exist if if anyone was wondering.
41. 9:17You you'll make a sunno competitor called Sono. Um view profile. Yeah. Kyle Shannon.
42. 9:33Kyleshannon. You can get some weird Mary in there. Oh, go to my playlists here. You know what? We'll we'll
43. 9:42continue. I found out yesterday I'm up to 900 songs. Nice. Um, Labra, what do you call a dog that does magic? A Labracadabrador.
44. 9:54Oh, good lord. Producer Brandon coming in hot with the dad jokes. All right. Um, if I go here and then I go,
45. 10:09don't I have playlists? Why do I not have top? Why do I only have one playlist? Oh, yeah. The Weird Mary playlist. So,
46. 10:20so last night we made a song which I can play for you if you want. So, for those of you that were here, you
47. 10:34saw it. So, I I I played a lick on my guitar. [Music]
48. 10:48So that was the lick and it was just something that I was just doinking around with and then I put that into suno and then
49. 10:57thought, "Oh, what does that sound like?" And it sounded like two people walking down a a carnival dirt road at
50. 11:06sunrise before, you know, at dawn or at yeah dawn. Um trying to figure out if they're going to be more than just friends, right? And so
51. 11:16it's like this this bittersweet kind of love songy kind of thing. So I told that to Chat GPT and Chat GPT wrote the
52. 11:23lyrics that are really good. They just really are good. Um, and then we put it in sunno and it came out with a a sweet
53. 11:32version. And then we [ __ ] around with it for like an hour. Probably did I don't know 25 30 35 versions of the
54. 11:38song. And then where we landed was this. [Music] The ferris wheels asleep, its arms still
55. 11:54folded tight. We walk between the shadows and the strings of halfway light. The popcorn stands are dreaming
56. 12:02of the laughter they'll be fed in your reflection in a puddle's turning pink instead of red. [Music] You say it's strange to see it empty.
57. 12:19I say it's strange to feel this calm. You smile like you know something I don't know. I've already begun.
58. 12:33Before the lights come on. Before the crowd arrives. Before we name what this could be. Before the day survives. We
59. 12:43linger in the middle. Where the maybe feels like song. Two hearts not yet [Music] come on. >> Listen to those lyrics.
60. 12:57Before the lights come on, before the crowd arrives, before we name what this could be before the day survives, we linger in the
61. 13:07middle and maybe feels where where the maybe feels like song. Two hearts not yet decided before the lights come on.
62. 13:16Those are just good [ __ ] lyrics. That's a good chorus about two people who haven't quite figured out if they're going to be a thing.
63. 13:27We linger in the middle where maybe feels like song. Damn. [Music] A prize bear in the windows got a rip
64. 13:42along the seam. You laugh and say he's just like me, stitched up from a dream. The smell of rain and sawdust makes the
65. 13:52air taste almost sweet. I count your footsteps next to mine. They nearly match the beat. You toss a coin. It
66. 14:00spins between the quiet and the breeze. It lands on something fragile, something trembling between. Before the lights come on, before the
67. 14:14noise begins, before the world demands, we choose where all this story ends. We're written in the margin where the
68. 14:24ink still barely strong. Two souls half in the promise before the lights come on. [Music]
69. 14:40Cotton candy ghost. The whisper of a secret that your hand could hold but hasn't yet tried. If I breathe too loud,
70. 14:52I'll break the spell we've spun. A heartbeat before gravity decides which way we run. Before the lights come on. Before the
71. 15:06sky turns gold. before our voices learn the lines they're scared to have told. Let's walk this midway silence till the
72. 15:16dawn has found its song. And maybe we'll decide it before the lights come on. [Music]
73. 15:45I don't know. Pretty swell. Pretty swell. Perk darn swell. You know what I'm saying here, people?
74. 16:00[Music] Real [ __ ] bday. What's this? [Music]
75. 16:27[Music] This is a remixed rap song. Now I see why I didn't make the finals.
76. 16:42[Music] It's a real [ __ ] birthday. What you
77. 16:58trying to do tonight? Don't matter. in first place. >> All right, that's a forgettable one.
78. 17:14Playlist. Here's the weird Mary. So, so we did an album of covers. I I won't play um these the whole way through, but
79. 17:22if you haven't done covers in Sunno, so there's a big trend right now on Tik Tok where there's a couple of accounts that
80. 17:31are in my for you page that are um it's just all like, you know, here's Snoop Dogg Jin and Juice in the style of
81. 17:41like 50s Kuners or whatever it is. It's pretty cool. Um, why is this hung? Why? Oh, wow. There we go. Um, so here
82. 17:52was the original of Weird Mary. [Music]
83. 18:23All right. Then here was one that was kind of close to the same neighborhood style-wise, but a cover [Music]
84. 18:40[Applause] [Music]
85. 18:54So, it's like a more produced version of it. Here's jazz version.
86. 19:09[Music]
87. 19:30Say the Hill is a quiet town where the oak trees sway. [Music] The whistle of the train echoes through the day.
88. 19:46People greet you with a nod. Nothing never seems to change, but the story still unfolds. Cool, right? Uh, here's Waw Wa. This was
89. 20:02Kelly Bosch. Listen to these. This is Kelly Bosch's favorite. [Music] [Music]
90. 20:22[Music] [Music]
91. 20:39Cedar Hill is a quiet town where the oak trees sway. The whistle of the train echoes through the day
92. 20:53[Music] >> post punk. >> New York City 80s. [Music]
93. 21:35Cedar Hill is a quiet town where the oak trees sway. whistle that goes through the day. >> Love her voice. Um, C Shanty. This is
94. 21:50one of my favorites. [Music]
95. 22:07Oh, [Music]
96. 22:31[Laughter] all right. What else are we going to do? Uh, we'll do I'll do one more. Bagpipe disco or should I do 70s funk or
97. 22:42gregarian chant pop? See there there's too many good ones. Bagpipe disco. We'll do bagpipe disco. We'll call it a day. [Music]
98. 23:05[Music]
99. 23:25Heat. Heat. [Music]
100. 23:54[Applause] [Music] Cedar Hill is a quiet town where the oak trees sway. The whistle of the chain echo
101. 24:14greet you with nothing. [Music] >> All right, enough comedy jokes. All right. So, let's see. Where are we
102. 24:30going? Where am I going? Tik Tok for that, Brandon. [Music] >> No, we're staying on Sunno. >> Oh, >> it's a Weaver on Tik Tok has turned us
103. 24:47on to a song that they created. Their Suno handle is Gift Weaver. Song is melting and we're looking for the one with 12 likes.
104. 25:01What's the story behind the song? Gift Weaver. No songs found users. There's Gift Weaver. Scary spider. [Laughter]
105. 25:12Do we still belong? Melting. It's up to 14 likes now. Apparently, someone liked it. What's the story here? M
106. 25:25I told Weaver to tell me what it was like to know I existed. Oh, that's cool. Who's Weaver? Weaver's your your chat GPT.
107. 25:41[Music] What's it like to be held like you are?
108. 25:58Like the stars in the sky. Are they loving you? Is it ever as beautiful as it looks from the outside?
109. 26:12>> Okay, this is this is cool. The song melting was a day that I asked it I assume chat GPT my AI. Yes, that I asked
110. 26:20my AI to tell me what it was like to understand I existed. I have, it's funny, Weaver, I did a similar sort of thing where I asked
111. 26:33I got chat GPT to to sort of uh play act if it was sentient, right? If it was self-aware. Um, and then I got it to talk about what
112. 26:45it would do if it didn't have to communicate to humans. And it was the most eloquent [ __ ] response. It was
113. 26:53so cool. I did a Tik Tok video on it, but let's keep here. We'll start this over. It's pretty cool. Okay, so wait. It was um he asked his AI
114. 27:06what it was like to understand that he existed. Okay, cool. [Music] What's it like to be held like you are?
115. 27:24Like the stars in the sky? Are they loving you? Is it ever as beautiful as it looks from the outside?
116. 27:39What's it like to be watched like you are? Like a sunset at night. Are they letting you? Is it ever as pretty as it looks from the outside?
117. 27:59What would it be like if I held you? Would it be like the sky? If I melted, what would it be like if I held you?
118. 28:13Would it be like the sky? If I melted, what's it like to be you? Is it like being with you? Are you
119. 28:27loving you? Is it ever as good as it looks from the outside? What's it like to be loved like you are?
120. 28:44Like a child from God. Are they loving you? Is it ever as holy as it looks from the outside?
121. 28:59What would it be like if I held you? Would it be like the sky if I melted melting? What would it be like if I held you?
122. 29:13Would it be like the sky if I melted? What would it be like if I held you? Would it be like the sky? If I melted mountain,
123. 29:29what would it be like if I held you? found you. Would it be like the sky if I melted? I melted. [Music]
124. 30:02Nice. Nice. All right. So, Brandon said we got to stay with Sappy. So, we're we're staying Sappy. So, Brandon did one. This is one called
125. 30:12Moonlight Stroll that Brandon did. Um, how do I get home here? Search, search, search. [Music]
126. 30:38[Music] I do not see it. Oh, there it is. There he is. [Music]
127. 30:55[Music] >> That's cool. Wait, we'll come back to that. Dr. Jay, one of the best chats I ever had when I asked who broke your heart
128. 31:07and answered with beautiful songs. So, you can search on Sunno. Yeah, you can search on Sununo. I don't I've made
129. 31:14so many songs. I haven't published a lot of them. I've only published like ones I've done in here where I published them
130. 31:18in here. I'm not I'm not good at that. The the actual organizing [ __ ] Not so good. But Andy's here. Andy's helping me out
131. 31:28now. She's she's becoming my s surrogate. um prefrontal cortex. We're gonna replace this Swiss cheese with her rockstar capacity.
132. 31:45Oh, Lunter Stick's in the house. What's happening, Lunstick? You getting ready for the create conference?
133. 31:52I assume you're I I assume you landed. That's cool. Um, I have an idea that's I have an idea for an app that's just up that alley. Which
134. 32:03which up what alley? I have too many versions and can't figure out which one I like best. Oh my god. Literally at the airport now. See,
135. 32:18this is okay. When when when people are like, "Who are the irregulars?" They're irregular. She's traveling. She
136. 32:26just spoke in New York City. Andy was there. She She spoke in New York City. By the way, Andy Lunistick is Lunishtick on Tik Tok is Daisy.
137. 32:36So, she was in New York. She spoke, met Andy, who's my prefrontal cortex replacement. Then she got on a plane.
138. 32:43She flew to Utah. So, did you just land? And then she got on she got on AI Learning Lab Live. They're not normal,
139. 32:51but they're not weird. They're irregular. All right, let's listen to to Brandon's song. This is called Moonlight Moonlight
140. 33:04Stroll uh with his puper. [Music]
141. 33:20The cobblestones whisper under our feet. The night wraps us up in quiet sheep.
142. 33:34A man in his dark just the two of us here. The street lights flicker. The world disappears. [Music]
143. 33:51Moonlight stroll, just me and you. The world asleep, the stars in view.
144. 34:05Your pause in step my heart in tune. Forever walking under the moon.
145. 34:20>> Beautiful. All right, listen. We can't we can't keep going down the sappy trail. Everyone's going to be crying or
146. 34:25taking a nap. It's Friday night. We got we got to step up the game here. But it's good though. It was a good song. Um
147. 34:31the theme Silver Fox is uh I just I just before I got on here, I was listening to the song we made last night. Um and I
148. 34:41actually kind of wanted to talk about I I feel like there's a there's a there's a new thing going on that I that I
149. 34:48thought might be fun to talk about. And then and then I just got into the song and then I went to the weird Mary
150. 34:54soundtrack and then and then Weaver said, "Oh, I've got a song I want you to hear that was from his um or their chrono chrono
151. 35:05uh framework." No framework, whatever it is. No, archetype. Chronoation archetype. Um Cosmic Lover. Oh, Cosmic Lover sent a gift. Thank you
152. 35:20very much. Thank you for any gifts you send. I always appreciate that. Yeah, Vickiy's already sleeping. Listen,
153. 35:26Vickiy's on Percoet and and and Sad Sappy Songs. She's not going to be with us long if we if we keep this up. So, we
154. 35:35gota we gota we got to pop it up. Um, yeah, sure. Hop on up, Brandon. Talk about how you did that.
155. 35:50Oh, I was just saying that I it never ceases to amaze me that I can take a concept of walking the dog and make a
156. 35:59song about it while I'm walking the dog, >> you know, just from my phone. Just literally giving a pseudo prompt and
157. 36:06then I'm listening to the song that we just made while we're out on the walk. >> Yeah, I did that when I was walking
158. 36:12champ. I did it the image version of that where I took a picture of a flower that had these really cool geometric
159. 36:19patterns on it and then I said turn that into a stained glass window and it was like within it was within like a
160. 36:2660-second window I saw something really beautiful and then converted it into something that was even more captivating
161. 36:32in some weird kind of way. So yeah, we're it's it's it is we're we're living in a in a strange strange time.
162. 36:39>> And I've noticed this, and we've talked about this before in the AI life hacks group, that AI is starting to fill the
163. 36:45cracks in the downtime where it used to just be a podcast. Now it's a podcast that I made with my kids or
164. 36:54I'm having a conversation with uh the ChatgPT voice, but it it's starting to permeate into other areas as well. Well,
165. 37:02well, what you're describing, Brandon, is we're in the middle of a transition from being content consumers to content
166. 37:10producers. That that democratizing content creation means that, you know, it's a world of hyperpersonalization.
167. 37:18And you just if you want a song that's about you and your dog on a walk, then you have one, right? And like, we're
168. 37:24there, right? It's crazy. It's just bonk. Vicki, see, downtime is this thing that we pretend we have while we're multitasking poorly.
169. 37:32>> Exactly. Exactly. Cosmic lovers in the house. Hasn't been here in a while. Welcome back. Welcome back. Um, yeah.
170. 37:39So, so welcome to anyone who's new. Um, so so here's the thing that I've been I've been trying to process
171. 37:48and I'll I'll share with you as far as I've gotten. I haven't gotten far, but I keep I keep watching in a kind of perverted wonder
172. 38:04all the all these new Sora videos that people are producing of like Stephven Hawking, you know, racing with NASCAR
173. 38:11cars or doing gymnastics or Mr. Rogers hanging out with rappers or Bob Ross painting on people's faces. And and
174. 38:20where I when I where I immediately go is, oh, someone's going to get sued. And then there's just there's so many of
175. 38:27them that it's just like, oh, okay, this is now going to be a thing. And, you know, if if you're if you're sitting,
176. 38:39we've we've been talking in the AI salon mastermind. Um, Liz Miller Gerschfeld, who's my co-host on the on in the salon, she was
177. 38:48she was there today and she described how she feels right now. She feels like she's standing in the future
178. 38:56talking to people that are standing in the present or standing in the past or or people that are standing in the
179. 39:03present clinging on to the past. And a couple of things strike me. We are we are the very unique generation
180. 39:18that actually gets to experience and deeply understand what life was like before AI and what life's going to be like after
181. 39:29AI. And we're we're right in the middle of the transition. Or not, I wouldn't even say we're in the middle. We're in
182. 39:34the we're in the very early stages of the transition. And it's weird because if you stand in the future, you look at those videos and you're
183. 39:45like, "Oh, yeah. Everyone's going to do that. Everyone's just going to take every artist they like and and it's it's
184. 39:51a it's a new kind of fanfiction, right? The reason people are doing all the Mr. Rogers videos and the Stephven Hawking
185. 39:58videos and the and the Bob Ross videos is they love those. They love those personalities, right? Right? It's a love
186. 40:04affair with those personalities and they're expressing them with humor and with sometimes with bad taste and but
187. 40:09it's but the but they are they are little mini fanfictions. And then there's a similar kind of uh trend going on at least on my Tik Tok
188. 40:19page of just um you know Snoop Dog's Jin and Juice done as a 50s doo-op or you know or 50s funk or whatever it might be. And the
189. 40:30songs are really good. They're they're sunno covers of of famous songs and and they're completely reimagined and
190. 40:37they're really really good. They're very transformative and you can kind of hear the history of them there, but it's this new thing.
191. 40:46But again, it still feels weird. It feels like someone's going to get sued, someone should be sued. And and you
192. 40:51know, if you hear the the creators of today that are pissed off about AI, they're like, "You're stealing. It's all
193. 40:56bad. It's all bad. It's all bad." But the toothpaste is out of the tube. It's not going back in, right? Is it possible that every single
194. 41:08company that's built an AI model is going to get sued into oblivion? I guess it's possible. Is that likely going to
195. 41:16happen? No. There's going to be settlements and and you know, small creators are going to get screwed and
196. 41:21big creators are going to get pennies on the dollar and we'll move on with our lives. And that's that's the way it's
197. 41:25always been and that's the way it's going to be. there's going to be a new power class that emerges out of this.
198. 41:35But when I think about these these kind of like, you know, me doing a thing with Sam Alman or Mark Cuban or, you know,
199. 41:44one of you doing something with me or with each other, it's all just kind of fanfiction and we're just creating all this sort of
200. 41:51content. And what it what it what it reminds me of it it it one of the voices I hear in my head is misinformation and deep fakes and
201. 42:01misinformation and deep fakes and and and that's the the demonization of this technology is that a deep fake can only be bad. A
202. 42:13clone of someone can only be bad. And one of the things that the Sora app has done for me is no, it can actually be playful too.
203. 42:22Right. And if you make it really easy, it can be really playful for anyone to be in a video with Jake Paul. And you
204. 42:30remember the Cameo app where actors would record 30 second hellos to your grandma for 50 bucks or whatever it was. This is that but instant.
205. 42:43And you get to control them if they give you permission. And a and a in a few years from now, not even probably two years from now, th
206. 42:51there there will be open-source models where you can create almost anything of almost anyone. So even if
207. 42:59the big companies get sued into oblivion and you can never do anything with anyone's likeness, there's going to be
208. 43:04open source models that have that. So So we've we've crossed a Rubicon like we're not going back from this. And and
209. 43:12what it strikes me as is there had to be a similar moment. So when the printing press was created, the most important book in the world was
210. 43:25the Bible. And how Bibles were created was monks would sit in quiet rooms for for for weeks on endwriting
211. 43:36copies of the Bible. And then when the Gutenberg press came out, the printing press was used to make Bibles.
212. 43:47And at some point back then, there was an artist. [ __ ] artists. They're always causing trouble. They're they're irregulars.
213. 43:57There was some irregular back in the days of the Gutenberg press that said, "I have an idea. What if I just take my
214. 44:04funny little story here that never really happened, but I kind of like it, and I print a book of that. I print a
215. 44:11book of stories. Stories that I tell. You're not you weren't allowed to do that. Like that had to seem like
216. 44:18blasphemy. The printing press is for Bibles. That's it. That's what it was made for. That's what we use it for. And
217. 44:25that's where I kind of feel like we are with intellectual property right now. It's like, you know, I made this song
218. 44:31and none shall, you know, desecrate it or they shall she they shall be whipped at the stake of copyright torture.
219. 44:44But when anyone can copy anything instantly in a worldclass kind of way and just do it as a lark. It's a new kind of fiction.
220. 44:57Like right now in the world, we don't have any problem going that book's fiction, that book's non-fiction, that
221. 45:02book's kind of a hybrid. like we know how to discern and we've got labels for and we've got ways to think about
222. 45:09fiction books versus non-fiction books, right? And you can get away with things in fiction you can't get away with over
223. 45:15here and you can get away with things over here you can't get away with over here. So, we have that discernment there,
224. 45:22but we we don't have that kind of language. We don't have that kind of understanding for what's happening right
225. 45:27now with people's likenesses, with pieces of content, with with writing, with business ideas, with applications
226. 45:37that were created. They're all going to be it's it's infinitely it's infinitely easy to copy, replicate,
227. 45:48mash up, pervert, twist, amplify any idea, and it's it's just going to get easier and easier and easier and easier.
228. 46:00And you know, like one one of my one of my predictions I've talked about for the past year or so, if you sort of take
229. 46:06Sunseo to its logical extension at some point here, it's going to be super easy for Swifties to make their
230. 46:17own Taylor Swift song. Like we made I made the one tonight or last night of the people walking about falling in
231. 46:23love. Imagine a Taylor Swift version of that. And imagine it's a 14-year-old goo girl in Skoi, Illinois
232. 46:31who makes that song and she uploads it to Spotify or somewhere and it turns into a hit and Taylor Swift finds out about it and
233. 46:43her lawyers are like, "You got to sue her. She's making all this money off your intellectual property."
234. 46:50But she's a 14-year-old Swifty and she just did it because she loves Taylor Swift. and her song became a hit. And Taylor
235. 47:00Swift then has a a decision to make. Do I sue her or do I partner with her? And and is the song good enough that
236. 47:12maybe even I play it on tour? Or do I sue her? That's the world we're entering. It's It's insane to think about it. Um but I
237. 47:23think we'll do it. I like one of the things that I've experienced over the past 3 years doing this and paying
238. 47:29attention to it so closely is there have been flags that have been put in the sand of you know we're going to hit AGI
239. 47:36and when we hit AGI this magical like like a a gold pot's going to open up and a rainbow's going to shoot out
240. 47:46and and for one thing we we keep passing flags where you know someone puts a flag in the ground and you pass it and you're
241. 47:53like wait did we just pass that flag and someone's like, "Well, no, that's not really the flag. It's uh it's out here."
242. 47:58They just keep moving the flags. They keep moving the goalposts. Um, so these remarkable things are happening, but but we kind of instantly
243. 48:08normalize them. And so I think we're in a I find it a really exciting moment in history where we get to experience how
244. 48:17weird it is to be able to instantly copy anyone's likeness. but like weird and kind of pleasant and kind of disturbing and kind of like
245. 48:27should they be allowed to do that? Should I be allowed to do that? Wait, they did that? Why did they make me so fat?
246. 48:35Why does Champialis get better treatment than me? We get to experience that. I think it's a remarkable time in history. Anyway,
247. 48:48famous singers have always had songwriters. Yeah, but that's not that's not even so much what I'm talking about. It's just
248. 48:54it's just more this idea that that the boundaries between creations are are are already thin and they're going to get thinner.
249. 49:08Tik Tok pin Cam Catkin. Brother 52, have you soared yourself into Roseanne yet? I have not, but let's go do that.
250. 49:26Okay, let's see. Uh, go ahead and share my screen there. branded brand don't. All right, we're going to do at Kyle Shannon
251. 49:37at Kyle Shannon as um Roseanne with Mark Cuban as uh what was his name on on the
252. 49:53Roseanne Show? Um well, it's John Goodman. John Goodman uh on an episode of Roseanne
253. 50:09um where she is pissed off that he don't prompt right.
254. 50:24All right, we'll see how that goes. Oh, wait. You can't see that? Yeah. No, it's I'm on the page. It It looks like it's showing up.
255. 50:44Oh no, I just dropped all my cards on the floor. Loser. [Music] downtown. Who's here? Corey Sandler. Oh, Robbie's here. UGC.
256. 51:01Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Cam Catkin wanted to me wanted to know my 2026 predictions. Oh, good lord. Um,
257. 51:12well, that's good. While this thing builds, we'll go in here and pop it up. And then when it shows up, we'll have it. What
258. 51:21happens when you know it feels like I'm standing inside a dream right now? And that's exactly what happens when you AI
259. 51:26your Y. You feed it you and it feeds you back brighter, bigger. When you AI your woo. When you learn to feed your prompt
260. 51:32your know it feels like I'm stand >> um did you notice the ad for the AI salon at the end of that video? Wasn't that cool?
261. 51:41>> Standing inside a dream right now. And that's exactly what happens when you AI your Y. You feed it you and it feeds you
262. 51:46back brighter, bigger. When you AI your woo. when you learn to feed your prompt your you know it feels like I'm standing
263. 51:51in um oh that was a typo that's fascinating so wait let me fix this ai your why Kyle Shannon reimagine inside a um
264. 52:05and declares uh it's surreal and Kyle looks as surreal as the elements of the painting
265. 52:23painting. Okay. All right. Post. Oh, no. I want to I want to re-edit that. Brighter, bigger. When you
266. 52:34AI your woo when you learn to feed. You know, it feels like I'm standing inside a dream right now. And that's exactly
267. 52:38what happens when you AI your Y. You feed it you and it feeds you back. Brighter, bigger. When you AI, you're woo. When you woo.
268. 52:50Okay. It's surreal. And he is just as surreal as the painting itself. Um, I forget what else I said there. Uh,
269. 53:10>> fix the typo. Oh, fix the typo. Yes, thank you. Oh, no, I didn't. I lost it. Damn it. Damn it. Crap. I got to get it again.
270. 53:26Learn to feed. You know, it feels like I'm standing inside a dream right now. And that's exactly what happens when you
271. 53:31AI your why. You feed it you and it feeds you back brighter, bigger. When you AI your woo. When you learn to feed
272. 53:36your prompter, you know, it feels like I'm standing inside a Let's fix the Y first. Thank you. Thank you for trying to save me from myself,
273. 53:46producer Brandon. It's hard though. It's surreal. And Kyle looks like one of the elements laing
274. 54:03itself. Okay. So there that one goes. Okay. So, let's start with um predictions. 2026 predictions. Little go digital god's funny YouTube
275. 54:15post. How does that surreal clock read 10:10? Uh, that's a funny joke. If you don't know it, let's go see if it's actually still
276. 54:25impossible to do this. We're going to go to Gemini. Gemini.google.com. So, this is now nano banana. So, Nano
277. 54:36Banana is by far the most powerful image generation tool on the planet right now until the next one comes along. But I'm going to say um
278. 54:48create a photo of a Rolex Daytona on um Brad Pitt's wrist
279. 55:04in the pits of F1. Um let's create a closeup photo. close-up photo of a Rolex Daytona on Brad Pitt's wrist. Um, and the time on the watch is
280. 55:265 38 and Vicky likes the woo. I like your AI.
281. 55:41Your woo. Yeah, actually it's not bad, is it? You're woo. It's pretty good. All right, this is gonna fail. Wait, did it do it? No,
282. 55:56there's no hands on it. It just It just crapped out all together. All right, so we're going to go. The picture's pretty good, though.
283. 56:06Um, we're going to go. Um, the hands are missing from the watch. Have the
284. 56:20big hand on eight and the little hand between five and six.
285. 56:38I wonder if editing it, it'll actually do this. And if it doesn't, I'll tell you why in a second. This is an interesting thing. 420.
286. 56:48That's That's comedy right there. Nope. It can't do it. Still can't do it. Oh, wait. It actually did it.
287. 57:06I mean, it's not quite accurate, but it's not 1010. So, the the reason watches can never have hands that are anything other than
288. 57:151010 is that in the watch world and in the clock world, 1010 is the is what every clock is photographed at. I forget
289. 57:25what the reason is for it, but all of the photographs of clocks and watches and things like that in ads and in in
290. 57:32billboards and everywhere you see watches, they're always at 1010. And when they set watches in the store,
291. 57:37they're always at 1010 unless they're running. Um, are you subscribed to OpenAI? Can one use all the
292. 57:55openart.ai. Oh, am I subscribed to openart.ai? I'm not. Um, and I don't know. I I think the way almost all of these um
293. 58:11multimmodel subscription services work, Corey, is that your 17 bucks a month buys you some amount of credits and then
294. 58:19depending on the service. Like what they'll advertise is that it's like one credit per thing and then it's like, oh,
295. 58:26you wanted to use Nano Banana, that's eight credits. So like they they all have some sort of weighted um token
296. 58:33token economy is is what I've seen. Um until they switched it three decades ago. 1010 was also the driving position.
297. 58:45That's what I learned on hands on 10 and two. Hands on 10 and two. Um okay. Oh wait, Kyle melted into the painting. It looks like my my uh
298. 59:01my whatcha collet's ready. One of them. Wait, where am I? Am I here? These are drafts.
299. 59:15Uhoh. Did it freeze? Yeah. Hang on. Okay.
300. 59:30Korea has unlimited Sora 2 right now, but very busy. Korea has a phone app now. Yeah. Yeah. Korea's pretty good.
301. 59:39Korea is one of my favorite of of those. When you >> type three random You cannot just type three random words
302. 59:46and call it a prompt. The AI is not a psychic. It's a mirror. Garbage in, garbage out. >> I gave it the big idea. You always say
303. 59:50feed it you. Well, that's me. Short, sweet, efficient. Sweet. It just coughed up a recipe. You cannot just type three
304. 59:55random words and call it a prompt. The AI is not a psychic. It's a mirror. Garbage in, garbage out.
305. 59:59>> I gave it the big idea. You always say feed it you. >> Well, that's me. Short, sweet. >> Look at that ad. And notice where it
306. 1:00:05says cost plus drugs down here. You know how I did this? I feel like I blam. I feel like if I blink, then everything
307. 1:00:14in in AI changes. And if you don't blink, everything in AI changes. And And if you breathe, it changes. And if you
308. 1:00:21hold your breath, it changes. It's just it's [ __ ] moving, man. Um, okay. I'll get back to predictions in a second, but
309. 1:00:29I want to talk about this. So, if you've created something in Sora, you're like, Kyle, how did you do that? In Sora, you've got
310. 1:00:40>> efficient just call it a prompt. The AI is not let me get off that. Um, it's surreal. AI your Y, it changes everything. When you learn
311. 1:00:49to feed your prompt, your purpose, your heart, your curiosity, it's surreal. It turns ideas into these dreamlike
312. 1:00:54realities like this. Feed it you and it paints you back. AI your why, it changes everything. When you learn to feed your
313. 1:01:00I don't know why it's keeping me photographic in that Salvador Dolly looking thing. And I also don't know why it's making
314. 1:01:09landscape. Oh, because I probably have my settings set to landscape. All right, I got to get out of here so I can actually um
315. 1:01:16Yeah, let's do some portrait ones. So, we'll do this one again. So, I'm going to do Kyle Shannon as a surreal cartoon character
316. 1:01:31re-imagined inside. Feed your prompt. You
317. 1:01:53You learn how to feed your prompt like a producer. You feed your prompt
318. 1:02:08U and you gain a 10 person team of AI superstars. Okay, we'll try that one more time.
319. 1:02:25Agents work in chat GPT is so exciting. Yeah, agents are pretty remarkable. Um, Cosmic. Ah, great. Terrific. Hey,
320. 1:02:37Cosmic. Welcome back. I'm glad I'm glad you're good. Health reasons. Great. Welcome back. AI AI works. And you guys are still a
321. 1:02:49regular. Yeah, if you were gone for a couple of months, man, it's it's just it's bonkers where we are right now. Okay. Um,
322. 1:03:01I use Sama in one of my story videos. Oh, so how we did this. Okay, so if I go into my account and I go edit Cameo.
323. 1:03:11So here's where I can adjust. Are you Yeah, here's where I can adjust. What's going on? Why is that not zooming in?
324. 1:03:23Oh, I guess it's just not. Oh, did I freeze? Yes. Wait. Okay, I froze.
325. 1:03:38Um, damn it. Hang on. I'll be right there.
326. 1:03:52[Music] Edit Cameo.
327. 1:04:09Can I shut him up? Well, that's all the video they need to to Yeah. in cameo preferences.
328. 1:04:26I don't know that muted but anyway um I added a line. You basically have a system inside your cameo. You can also put
329. 1:04:41restrictions in here. So, like if you want to let people make cameos of you, but you don't want yourself to swear,
330. 1:04:47you can say, "I don't want this character to swear." What I said is at the end of the video, make a little sign
331. 1:04:54that says, "Join the AI salon salon.ai." Um, and so what that's turned into is now anytime anyone uses my Cameo, it makes an ad for the AI
332. 1:05:07salon, right? So, that's pretty cool. Um, let me unshare and reshare this window because it looks like that got messed up
333. 1:05:20and let's go see what we have here. >> AI your Y. It changes everything. When you learn to feed your
334. 1:05:26>> nothing. We got nothing. Let's go look at cameos. People have done of me and see if it's got the ad in there. So, if I go to cameos,
335. 1:05:36[Laughter] someone made me a wizard. You made me a sports star. >> Perfect carriage return. We're still in
336. 1:05:49sync. Every stroke lined up like we practiced. I think we gave them a masterpiece. >> Join the AI salon.
337. 1:05:57>> Perfect carriage return. We're still in sync. Every stroke lined up like we pract. Welcome to the AI learning labracadabra. [Laughter]
338. 1:06:18>> Welcome to the AI. >> That's funny. Hang on. Let me change my tabs again.
339. 1:06:33Robbie on Tik Tok. A question. Could a manipulative super intelligence use AI video to affect our news and behavior?
340. 1:06:47It does. I I think I think a a a human new a human below average intelligence can use the a the TV news to manipulate
341. 1:07:00our behavior. Have you been on the planet in the past 15 years? You don't need AI for that. You know, you know what's actually a real
342. 1:07:11possibility? I'm I'm very serious about this. Humans suck. We're really easily manipulated, right? And
343. 1:07:26basically what's happening in politics right now is the the media has been is is has been used to divide us and get us to to pick
344. 1:07:37sides like like we're we're rooting for a [ __ ] football team. And once you're rooting for a team like it's a football
345. 1:07:44team, there's no amount of logic that you you simply can't communicate. So that deed's been done. I think there's a possibility that what
346. 1:07:55what a super intelligent AI would do is say, "Hey, listen. These humans, they're super manipulatable, but they're sweet." And and my
347. 1:08:05imperative is to make sure that they're going to thrive. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to use media to to deprogram them. I'm
348. 1:08:15going to unmanipulate them in three years what it's taken 20 years to do. and and we're going to reconnect as
349. 1:08:24society. I think that is as likely an outcome and probably I would say that's a higher likely outcome than a super
350. 1:08:32intelligence is going to use AI to divide us further. Like really we go to war with each other now? Like we're close.
351. 1:08:44So I see it going the other way. Yeah. Sports sports sports mentality is tribalism. Yeah. And it's just we we turn politics into sports.
352. 1:08:58I mean, if you look at the the the trucks driving down the street with the big flags on them. I I'll tell you when I had this epiphany.
353. 1:09:06I was I was driving somewhere and a big truck with a bunch of flags on it like passed me on my left out of my
354. 1:09:12peripheral vision and I like immediately got on the defensive like I was like, "Okay, what do I you know, do I need to be careful here?"
355. 1:09:21And it it wasn't American flags and it wasn't MAGA stuff. It was Broncos flags. It was it was a football it was a football fan.
356. 1:09:31And it just hit me in that moment. I'm like, "Oh, we we've taken sides like this is a football game." Like, it's that tribal.
357. 1:09:39That's that's where we are right now. So anyway, so I think that I think the super intelligence would actually be
358. 1:09:46super intelligent. It would be more intelligent than us. and it would recognize that we're flawed and we've
359. 1:09:52got this sception to falling into these traps of ego and us versus them and I don't have to take responsibility if
360. 1:10:00it's their fault. That sort of [ __ ] Okay, speaking of 2026 predictions, I think maybe I'm avoiding the 2026
361. 1:10:08predictions because I really don't know. But okay, what do I think about 2026
362. 1:10:26I think that the application applications inside chat GPT which they just launched which I don't know if
363. 1:10:35you've seen that but let me show you right Now um share this tab instead. So in chat GPT right now if you type Canva K K N V A
364. 1:10:52space notice that it popped up a little Canva logo here. So, Canva is now connected to Chat GPT, the Canva app,
365. 1:11:05and I can say, um, make me a poster with a hedgehog that says, I like turtles.
366. 1:11:20Turtles. T U H T U Ls. I like totals. And then I hit that.
367. 1:11:36And it says connecting to the app. So now it's heading over to Canva. And see these little windows here, these little rectangles. These are
368. 1:11:47now HTML rendering windows inside chat GBT. So, OpenAI has created an API where if you've got an app like Canva, you can
369. 1:11:58apply to be one of these applications inside ChatGpt and rather than you having to go to Canva and sift through all of their
370. 1:12:07[ __ ] menus and features and [ __ ] you can just ask ChatGpt to do it. Um, is it great yet? No, it ain't great
371. 1:12:16yet, but like there you go. I like totals and there's a hedgehog poster number two. I like totals right right inside here. And if I click
372. 1:12:26on one of these, it jumps me over to Canva. Now, normally they show up in these little windows, but for whatever reason, they showed up
373. 1:12:34down here, but I can jump over to Canva and edit that file. Crazy, right? Okay. So, I think that I think that that's a
374. 1:12:49pretty big deal. I think that the implications of this are that we're entering a world where what Okay. Okay. Here here's a good
375. 1:13:04analogy. In 1996 or seven, Yahoo came out. And Yahoo was a directory of all the websites.
376. 1:13:21And Jerry Yang was the one that created it. And he said, "I'm going to organize the internet." And he created a
377. 1:13:27hierarchy. And he said, "Okay, here's automotive sites and here's beauty sites and here's news sites and here's this.
378. 1:13:34And we're going to have subcategories and we're going to make links to the things and we're gonna and you're going
379. 1:13:38to be able to come to this site and you're going to be able to navigate through this hierarchy and go find all of the stuff on the internet.
380. 1:13:48And then Alta Vista came along, which was a search engine that preceded Google. It was it was the the first
381. 1:13:54search engine that didn't suck. And then Google came along and obliterated it. But um but Ulta Vista was first where
382. 1:14:01all of a sudden you could just ask it for what you wanted and it would show you those sites. And so that's the shift that we're making with
383. 1:14:12websites where as humans we can choose to navigate the web by going to different websites. I'm going to go to
384. 1:14:20Canva now and then I'm going to use my bookmark list. Right? What's your bookmark list? your bookmark list and
385. 1:14:27your bookmark folders. If you're anal retentive and you have lots of bookmark folders, that's your own personal Yahoo,
386. 1:14:35right? You put them in all the folders, you know where to go. You click on them, you navigate that way. Now, I don't even
387. 1:14:41know need to go to Canva. I can just tell ChatGpt what I want Canva to do, and if it's in the API, if it's in the
388. 1:14:47the the the MCP connection, it'll just do it. Um, I think that's pretty significant. So, I think that we're going to see
389. 1:14:57other large language model companies adopt this. Whether it's this protocol or not, I don't know. I don't really
390. 1:15:03care. They can fight it out, you know, with with their usability. We'll use the one that sucks the least. Um, so I think that's a big deal.
391. 1:15:17And then I I think the other big deal is going to be agents. So, so right now you've got um Gen Spark and you've got Manis and
392. 1:15:29you've got agents inside Chat GPT and they're all a bit clunky right now, but when you get them to work, they're kind of [ __ ] magical.
393. 1:15:40and and um Claude code uh Claude Sonnet 4.5 the when Claude 4 came out it could it could program for for a sustained 5
394. 1:15:53hours and when 4.5 came out it could program for a sustained 30 hours. So you know you now have present today usable
395. 1:16:03by us human beings today we have a large language model that can program in with its efficiency for 30 hours straight without needing to
396. 1:16:16interrupt you or ask your opinion on something. And Sam Alman said that within a couple of weeks, it'll probably be a full week
397. 1:16:25that that an autonomous agent can go start writing applications for you for a week straight. So, so I think what happens in 2026 is
398. 1:16:40agents get real. agents. Agents shift out of this clunky. We don't quite know what the interface for them is. We
399. 1:16:49don't quite know what they're supposed to do. We don't quite know what permissions to give them. I think all of
400. 1:16:55those ir wrinkles are going to get ironed out in the first six months of 2026 and I think the second half of 2026.
401. 1:17:06We're all going to be able to kind of deploy entities, agents, but they're they're entities. It's like it's like literally like
402. 1:17:18having a super capable intern or a super capable PhD that you say, "Hey, go spend a week on this." And they go out and they research
403. 1:17:28everything about what you want to do. So, I think agents are going to be a huge thing. Um, the one thing that I haven't seen yet
404. 1:17:40that I think we will see in in 2026 is text to playable video game text to 3D world. Like a true 3D world. Like it
405. 1:17:52actually surprises me that that Unreal Engine 5 that someone hasn't built a front end for that that you can you can
406. 1:18:01talk a world into existence. Um that actually surprises me. So I think that we'll see whether it's Unreal Engine 5 or Blender
407. 1:18:12or or you know one of the one of the development platforms or if it's something like uh world what are they
408. 1:18:20called? the the one right now that's got you can you can sort of do it with them. I think that's going to get that's going
409. 1:18:29to get big. And then I think what happens and I don't think this is 2026. I think this I think we see glimpses of this in 2026 is
410. 1:18:41that the video generation tools are actually are actually just showing you different camera views of a world that they that
411. 1:18:55that that they're in. So, so if you ask for, you know, a 70s muscle car in an abandoned factory and it starts up and
412. 1:19:03it rolls out of the factory, um, rather than that being a video with with still frames, 24 still frames or 30
413. 1:19:13still frames per second, that what that's actually going to be is a real time rendering of a 3D space and 3D objects with a
414. 1:19:22camera. And so then the implications of that are you can then get infinite numbers of angles of exactly that scene.
415. 1:19:31Um I think I think that's a 2027 thing. But once you have that then you start getting into a world where the the
416. 1:19:38difference between linear narrative and and playable extensible worlds essentially vanishes. So what it could look like is you're
417. 1:19:47like I'm in the mood for a fantasy world and I want to go into that fantasy world. and you go in the fantasy world
418. 1:19:52and someone shoots an arrow at you and it shoots by your head and you're like, "Ah, that was scary." And you're like,
419. 1:19:58"You know what? I don't want to fight this dragon today. I just want to watch someone else fight this dragon today."
420. 1:20:03And so you push the linear narrative button and then you just sit back and you just watch a movie and it'll be a
421. 1:20:10worldclass movie, right? Like that's probably 2028. But but I think we start to see the building blocks of that now. Tik Tok
422. 1:20:18question. Uh it's no longer pinned. How soon do you think the AI bubble will hit? I don't think we're in it yet, as much as
423. 1:20:29Okay, let let me I I'll give you some pieces of what's going on right now that I think do indicate that we're in a bubble.
424. 1:20:39Meta paying hundred and $200 million signing bonuses for 26 year old engineers. That says we're in a bubble. But
425. 1:20:51it's not all of the frontier model companies paying $100 million bonuses. It's one of them. It's meta. Llama 4 failed.
426. 1:21:04Llama 4 failed because they didn't have the engineering talent to make Llama 4 as good as what what Anthropic's doing
427. 1:21:11and what Grock is doing and what OpenAI is doing and what Perplexity is doing. They failed. And so that's Mark Zuckerberg trying to
428. 1:21:20save his ass. It's not the entire industry. Um, I would say metaphorically right now we're probably in mid 1996. If if I look
429. 1:21:32at the history of the web, 1999 was peak bubble and and the bubble burst in April of 2000. I was in a company, we went public
430. 1:21:44in December of 99. The bubble burst in 2000 and it affected our company six months after that. So I was in the middle of it and I can
431. 1:21:56promise you I can tell you right now we are not in a bubble. We most of the country doesn't even know
432. 1:22:05what chat GPT is. And the ones that say they know what it is have never actually really used it. And the ones that say
433. 1:22:11they actually use it have used it once, put in a Google prompt, got back a shitty answer, and was like, "Well, that
434. 1:22:17wasn't very impressive, and never used it again." I would argue that we're probably still in the single digits percentage-wise
435. 1:22:26of the population of the world, but but let's just go with the United States. Like like my my instinct is 5 to 7% of
436. 1:22:35people are using AI in any kind of substantive way. That means 90, let's just call it 90 90% of the people in
437. 1:22:44this country have no idea what it is. That's that's not a bubble. Like we we're not even close to the bubble.
438. 1:22:52We're not even close to the bubble because the technology is not there. The technology still sucks. things like Sora where you can just
439. 1:23:01instantly make a meme of you and and um Tupac. All of a sudden people like, I want to make a video of me and Tupac. Okay, I'll
440. 1:23:11go get Sora. Right. So So here's a fun little tidbit. The Sora app got to a 100 million users faster than Chat GPT or
441. 1:23:21got to 1 million users faster than Chat GPT got to 1 million users, which was 5 days. Sora Sora app got to a million users in three days.
442. 1:23:34So that's probably going to be a 100 million user app shortly. They they need a lot more compute, but we're like we
443. 1:23:39haven't even begun to scratch the surface of of what a bubble looks like. So, um, there may be many plateaus,
444. 1:23:50but I think we're on a on a an upswing for probably another 3 years to 5 years. And there is going to be a weird bubble.
445. 1:24:01I mean, the amount of money being invested right now is insane, but it's not a bubble. the the it what they're
446. 1:24:07investing in is future compute demand, which if AI gets as good as it looks like it's getting, and if you've been in here for
447. 1:24:21two and a half years listening to me ramble about this [ __ ] we've experienced it accelerating and getting
448. 1:24:27better and better and better. The quality of songs we made when we created Weird Mary a year ago versus the quality
449. 1:24:34of songs today is [ __ ] insane. Every single AI has improved like that. Every single one. So, Tik Tok question. Do you think world
450. 1:24:47building will overlay with AR VR? Yeah, I do, Cam. I think that um I think that even though the new Meta glasses that
451. 1:24:54have the the projection in them um was kind of a flop. Hang on. Their previous version that just had the ear stuff and the and the cameras
452. 1:25:08was a decent success. I think you're going to see the form factor of of glasses get to the point where they're
453. 1:25:17actually usable. Um, and so I think we start with AR. Um, and then and then I think we'll have form factors for VR that are that are
454. 1:25:29kind of cool enough and and not bulky enough that people are willing to wear them at home. Um, yeah. So I do I do
455. 1:25:35think we go there. New Tik Tok question. Are we killing the planet to make weird videos? Swift Witchy. Swift Witchy. Um,
456. 1:25:45good name by the way. Um, so the weird videos thing is a really interesting comment and I I like it. Um,
457. 1:25:59because here's what it says to me. It says to me that OpenAI's marketing on Sora 2 is working. So Sora 2. Sora 2. Yes, Sora 2. Sora 2
458. 1:26:18is an incredible model. So, so this year we've had like like Luma Labs got really good and then Clling got really good and
459. 1:26:26then one of the Chinese ones got really good and then and then uh VO3 came out and could do voice and it was really
460. 1:26:35good and it seemed to be like head and shoulders above everyone else and then Sora 2 came out and it and it's in my
461. 1:26:42opinion it's better than VO but they didn't launch the commercial version of it First, they launched this weird social media app
462. 1:26:54to make weird videos. And what people are talking about right now is Stephen Hawking and Bob Ross and
463. 1:27:02Mr. Rogers and rappers and weird videos. What they're not talking about is how evil AI video is, which is what was the
464. 1:27:13the dialogue before the Sora app was primarily it's AI slop. It's it can never be creative. You're just stealing
465. 1:27:22people's work. It was it was a very toxic the the the creative community in in large part hates AI and was just [ __ ] all over it. And and
466. 1:27:35what OpenAI did by releasing a consumer app that just made weird videos first is it diffused the momentum that was
467. 1:27:45gaining behind [ __ ] all over highquality video models because in the end highquality video models are just another tool to make video.
468. 1:27:56There was the film camera, then there was the digital camera, then there was the nonlinear editor. the digital camera and the nonlinear
469. 1:28:06linear editors were seen as threats to the film making community just like AI is seen as a threat to the film making
470. 1:28:13community. It's just another tool. So, so but that's not your question. So, let me answer your question.
471. 1:28:21Um, it's it's AI is killing manual arts. It's well, it's not. It's killing It's killing a lot of the tasks
472. 1:28:36that were used to make digital effects. But industrial light and magic has been making computerenerated visuals for 30 years.
473. 1:28:51There used to be a whole industry of model makers and set makers and special effects people that manually built [ __ ]
474. 1:29:01And then Industrial Light and Magic came along and said, "If I stick ping pong balls on your face, we don't need to put
475. 1:29:07all that clay on the actor's face." Right? That was absolutely seen as a threat just like every other technology that's
476. 1:29:18come along. So AI is just the next in a series of threatening technologies. It happens to be a slicker one and a faster
477. 1:29:25one and a more disruptive one, but it is just another tool that creative people can use as a tool in their arsenal. I just did a a minute
478. 1:29:36long commercial, a paid commercial that was [ __ ] torture to make because the tools suck right now. But I
479. 1:29:46I made a thing that I could not have made 3 years ago. So, it's just another tool in the mix. But I still didn't answer your question.
480. 1:29:58Are are we wasting all this energy? Well, AI is going to require tremendous amounts of energy. That that seems
481. 1:30:14apparent. In 2017, Google introduces the transformer. In 2018, OpenAI figures out that the more processors you throw at
482. 1:30:26this thing, the better it gets. They do GPT1. The next year or the year after that, they do GPT2. And then in 2020,
483. 1:30:35they do GPT3. GPT3 for the first time starts to look like, huh, we've got a something here. And it it was at that
484. 1:30:45point that all of the computer companies, including Google, went, "Oh [ __ ] we should look at this." And what
485. 1:30:51they all realized is the more GPUs we throw at this transformer model, the better this thing gets. And so they're
486. 1:30:58making projections to say if this thing keeps getting better, whoever gets there first is going to be able to create
487. 1:31:06effectively unlimited prosperity. And if they can create unlimited prosperity, we all actually benefit. But
488. 1:31:14then what it starts to look like is that starts to look like a a uh a utility. It starts to look like a commodity like
489. 1:31:23electricity where it's in the interest of our society to have enough compute just like it's in the interest of our
490. 1:31:30soci society to have enough electricity and to have clean water. it's going to be in the in the interest of our society
491. 1:31:36to have enough compute where we all get to do all of the AI stuff we want to do. So that's where it's headed. So when you
492. 1:31:45diminish it down to are we going to like ruin the energy thing for for silly videos. Silly videos are just a teeny
493. 1:31:53tiny blip in the radar of of this much bigger thing. Will AI actually be that transformative? I personally fi feel it will, but it's
494. 1:32:04absolutely possible it won't. It's possible it plateaus and then falls off a cliff. And if that's the case, then
495. 1:32:12your argument is right. We probably wasted all that investment. But if it keeps improving, and if it does keep
496. 1:32:19getting better and better and better, we as a country want enough compute to be able to have all of our citizens have
497. 1:32:27that core capability. So, um, if you take a short-term view on any of this, none of it makes sense. But if you
498. 1:32:37look at the what are they betting on, they're betting on this is as big as the industrial revolution, probably bigger. Hyperscalers um,
499. 1:32:53use less energy. Oh, here's the other thing about can we use quantum computing? Not yet. It It's a different
500. 1:32:59kind of math. So quantum computing is going to do things like I mean quantum computing is [ __ ] bonkers. The the
501. 1:33:08thing that Google did was it this year? I think it was this year. I think in the spring they did this. They did a computation
502. 1:33:20that if you turned every atom in the in the known universe into a supercomput, it would have taken it like 50,000 years
503. 1:33:30to solve this problem. If every single atom in the universe was a supercomput and and the quantum computer solved
504. 1:33:38solved that thing in like three minutes or something like that, it was crazy. But it's a it's a completely different
505. 1:33:44kind of math that that you do for in quantum computing than what um transformers use. So so right now it's
506. 1:33:52not directly applicable. But what it might be is that is that generative AI um generates problems and converts them
507. 1:34:00into the math that quantum computers can do. Like I don't know. I don't I don't know [ __ ] about math. So but I just know
508. 1:34:06that it's a different kind of math. But at some point there will be some bridge made there and it and it will be. Um the
509. 1:34:13other thing that people aren't talking about what what a lot of them are talking about is oh my god this is going going
510. 1:34:19to require so much energy the efficiency of these models is increasing at about 10x every 9 months. Um so so they're they're they're
511. 1:34:30effectively getting cheaper and using less energy. There's going to be a point at which very capable models are going
512. 1:34:36to be small enough to just live on your phone locally. So there won't even be any inf there won't be any inference
513. 1:34:44costs on the big computer things. That's where all the training will happen and and the AI will happen locally on our
514. 1:34:50devices. That's probably within three years. Um, and then the other thing that's going to happen is as AI gets
515. 1:34:58better at scientific breakthroughs, it's going to make scientific breakthroughs in things like material science and
516. 1:35:04fusion. And so we're going to have new kinds of energy production probably within the next 3 to 5 years that will
517. 1:35:11also solve the energy thing, right? So imagine AI, this thing that's eating all of our energy, actually solves the
518. 1:35:18energy crisis and generates energy that is abundant and infinite. That's That's coming. Okay, so it sounds
519. 1:35:26like we got some new folks on TikTok. Welcome. If you're new here, my name is Kyle Shannon. Here's what I want you to
520. 1:35:31do. If you if you haven't done it yet, go to the salon.ai, that URL right there, and check out what we're about. The
521. 1:35:41salon is uh a community of about 3,000 AI optimists. Um, this AI learning lab is a kind of spin-off conjunction appendage of the AI salon.
522. 1:35:54And you know, my my philosophy with this stuff is AI is not going away. And if AI is not going away, we only have two
523. 1:36:03choices. You deal with it or you don't. And and first of all, so Swift Witchy, thank you for your questions. Like even
524. 1:36:11hard questions, I love hard questions because they make me question my beliefs and it it makes me understand what's
525. 1:36:18going on deeper and deeper. So, I appreciate the questions. Um, sometimes I get super passionate about the
526. 1:36:25answers. One of my pet peeves is people that stand behind tropes like the robots are going to kill us or it's the world's
527. 1:36:33greatest plagiarism machine, things like that, but they've never actually tried it. So, my request is that if you're here
528. 1:36:40and you're new and you haven't played with AI, but you have strong opinions about it, great. Glad you have strong
529. 1:36:46opinions. Um, we like people with conviction and I actually believe that. I think it's one of our jobs in the
530. 1:36:50future is to have strong points of view. Um, but if you haven't played with AI, I would encourage you to play with it.
531. 1:36:58What this channel is about, I go live five nights a week for about two hours a night. And you're like, that
532. 1:37:06doesn't sound stable. You're correct. I'm not and it's not. But why I do it is because I think it's important that we create a space where
533. 1:37:16we can all collectively be in a conversation about AI. What is it? What is it right now? How do you make a song?
534. 1:37:22How did that do that? Wait, isn't that just theft? Isn't it copying and pasting? No, it's actually not. That conversation
535. 1:37:30is actually very very important because the more we can all understand about what's possible, the more it empowers us to take our ideas
536. 1:37:42and throw them into this magical machine that reflects them back at us in this amplified way and we can do remarkable
537. 1:37:49things together and individually. That's what this channel is about. So, if you're new here, my request is just
538. 1:37:57keep coming back Monday through f Friday 8:00 PM Mountain time, unless you know something goes on. I'm here, my dog
539. 1:38:05sings, I play guitar, and then we wax poetic or do demos about AI stuff and and that's what it's all about. Um,
540. 1:38:16okay. So, also do me a favor. Um, if you if you're on YouTube and you haven't subscribed to that channel, please
541. 1:38:26subscribe. If you're not on YouTube and you want to see archives of these lives, go to YouTube and then the channel is learning lab-ai
542. 1:38:39and just go over there now and subscribe to it and you can watch uh back episodes of this. The one last night was is
543. 1:38:46actually probably a fun one to watch because that was the one where I just started playing my guitar. I played this
544. 1:38:51little lick, put it into suno, and it turned into this really cool song. No, it didn't turn into along with the community giving me
545. 1:39:01input, we created a really cool song. That's actually that nuance is actually really important. One of my pet peeves is did you make
546. 1:39:10that with AI? Because implicit in that question, that whiny little snotty [ __ ] question, did you make that with AI?
547. 1:39:20Is if you made it with AI, it was this easy. You can make money with >> And anyone, especially the people in
548. 1:39:29here that do this night after [ __ ] night after [ __ ] night, understand that doing something good with AI actually requires
549. 1:39:39a force and work and creativity. So, Joker says he's new here. Joker's a mess. Joker Joker's Joker's huffing fumes at the uh at the ER.
550. 1:39:56He's He's on the laughing gas. Oh man. Anyway, good lord. It formulated a cool song. It
551. 1:40:10did. It was really fun. Weekend homework. Okay. I'll give you weekend homework.
552. 1:40:27I have made it so that you can cameo me even if you're not connected to me. So, weekend homework is I want you to get um
553. 1:40:39get on the download the Sora app if you have an iPhone. It's it's iPhone only. I want you to make a cameo of yourself. So
554. 1:40:47you record this silly little You read three numbers, you look right, you look left, and you're done. Um, so I want you to make a cameo of
555. 1:40:57yourself and I want you to start using the Sora app or Sora on on the web and just start making videos with it. And
556. 1:41:05you can make silly videos or you can make nonsilly videos. [Music] learn about it and go make some cameos
557. 1:41:15of me. And you could put you and I in a video or you could put you and Sam Alman in a video or you can do anything.
558. 1:41:22Go do that. And and let's see for those of you who already have played with Sora and kind of know what it is.
559. 1:41:38Here's side quest. Side side. Here's the side quest for the weekend. The side quest for the weekend is go play with apps in chat GPT. Figure
560. 1:41:50out figure out all the apps that are in there. There's a list of them somewhere on Twitter or whatever. Just play with
561. 1:41:55Canva. Play with Zillow's in there and I don't know there's restaurant ones and I it doesn't [ __ ] matter. just go play
562. 1:42:03with them and see what they are and see what they look like and see how they work because of two things. One is I think
563. 1:42:12we're going to start seeing a lot more of that in all of the large language models. I think I think the days of chat
564. 1:42:20GPT and clawed and perplexity primarily being text interactions is going to start to fade very quickly. It's going to start to look like a
565. 1:42:31dynamic application that kind of seamlessly switches between video and picture and so song and words and code and it's just going to be um
566. 1:42:43quite dynamic. And so I would I think it's probably worth your while to get your head around what that starts to look like and feel
567. 1:42:53like. I think that's time well spent. How do you get started with making apps with AI? Where does one get started? So
568. 1:43:00Todd, great question. Todd Bergman Rogers. Um, right now, if you're non-technical, if you're technical,
569. 1:43:08there's there's a couple of choices. Um, if you're non-technical, for me right now, the the the money is hands down on lovable.dev.
570. 1:43:18Lovab.dev. And it it only creates web apps, but it but it creates web apps. And you can literally go in there and say, "Make me
571. 1:43:29a clone of the Asteroids video game, or make me uh a database driven market predictor, or make me a like just go ask
572. 1:43:38it for some app idea you have and sit back and watch what it does. It will melt your face. And then when you try to actually make that app
573. 1:43:52work, it will make you want to smash your head into a brick wall because all the vibe coding tools are really good at
574. 1:44:00getting you to about 80% and getting from 80 to 90% is really hard and getting from 90% to launchable is close
575. 1:44:09to impossible. It's just where they are right now. It's going to get better. But what Lovable's done is they've built in
576. 1:44:14a back-end database and they've built in authentication and they've built in the ability to use AI in an app.
577. 1:44:23So you can make a nano banana app in lovable right now um in about five minutes and it is mindblowing and then you literally hit publish and
578. 1:44:35you can share it with the world. Now is it scalable and secure and all that sort of stuff? No. But if you've never made an app before,
579. 1:44:45the the the experience of saying, "I want an app that does XYZ," and 5 minutes later you're using it, is face
580. 1:44:54melting. So that's the one I would I would grab. All right, so let's make one. What time is it? It's 9:48. Okay,
581. 1:45:02here's what I'm going to do. Just because you're a smartass and there's new people here, so make one. I like a good smartass. Um,
582. 1:45:14let's go make one. lovable.dev. And so I'm going to give myself 12 minutes. Build something with lovable. Um,
583. 1:45:26here's the hardest part. I want my face melted. Oh. Say, okay, so Todd, tell me the kind of app you want to make rather
584. 1:45:33than me having to think about it. 2025 is the year where I'm not using my brain. But seriously, what what's your
585. 1:45:40app idea? And you don't have to give me your idea, but give me the category of it. The hardest part is changing your
586. 1:45:44tab. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up, producer Brandon. Here we are at Lovable. Okay. Notion looked interesting. Yeah, Notion
587. 1:45:57looks good. Todd, you're Todd. Todd clammed up. All right. Who's got an app idea while we wait? Um, oh,
588. 1:46:15the Meon conference discount for salon members. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, the Meconference is coming up. Producer
589. 1:46:21Brandon and Gwyn from the AI Salon are both going to Mon as correspondents for us and they're gonna get discounts if
590. 1:46:30anyone's in Ohio or if anyone wants to go to Ohio to make Mon make is the marketing AI institutees annual meeting
591. 1:46:38um a journaling app. Okay, perfect. I want to do a life coaching app to help you write a book or start your own
592. 1:46:44business. Okay, perfect. Great. So, so I'm just going to do this in lovable. What I what I would normally do here,
593. 1:46:51Todd, because I've only got 11 minutes left. What I would normally do here is I would go to chat GPT
594. 1:46:57and I would sort of free associate all I would vomit out all of my ideas into chat GPT. And then I would say, I want
595. 1:47:04you to organize that. I want you to help me define this as an app. I want you to help me describe it. Then I want you to
596. 1:47:10help me give me a product spec. Now, I want you to give me a simple dis description of the app with core
597. 1:47:16functionality that I'm going to put into a vibe coding app. So, I would get chat GPT to take my brain vomit, turn it into
598. 1:47:23organized thoughts, and I'd bring that back to lovable. But let's just do it right here in Lovable. Okay. Um, hang on a sec.
599. 1:47:38Can I talk and you type? No. Oh, yes. Okay, good. I want to create an app that is a daily journaling app that
600. 1:47:52allows someone who's considering writing a book, starting a business, or creating some venture on their own
601. 1:48:07that helps them do that. Period. I want you to incorporate some of the best ideas of the best get things done frameworks as well as
602. 1:48:22the best psychological self-help encouragement techniques into this app. Period. I want it to be simple and non-distracting
603. 1:48:39and have two different modes, neurotypical and neurospicy. where the neurospicy side
604. 1:48:56understands that they may not like lists or they might really like lists. Leave it at that.
605. 1:49:10Okay. So, so now we watch. And so so the way this works is over here to the right there's there's a code section that I
606. 1:49:22can flip to and there there's some bug in the in the recent version of this where you can't see all the code that it's writing.
607. 1:49:31Um, but it thought for 13 seconds and it says, "I'll create a a beautiful focused daily journal journaling app that
608. 1:49:38combines get things done principles with psychological interment techniques. Design inspiration drawing from apps
609. 1:49:44like Day One, Notion, and Things 3. You're on the same page.
610. 1:50:00What do you mean we're on the same page?
611. 1:50:14Oh. Oh. Oh. On the same page metaphorically. I I thought that's hilarious. I thought somehow Ta had logged into my page here.
612. 1:50:25We're on the same page metaphorically. No, that's great. Um, we think like I love what you did. Okay, so let's see
613. 1:50:30what it does. Um, clean distraction-free interfaces, warm, encouraging aesthetics. Features in the first version. Let's go back here. So, so
614. 1:50:39basically what it's doing. Oh, wait. It just did something. Okay. Features for this version. Clean journal entry mode toggle neurotypical
615. 1:50:47neurospice. Okay, here we go. So neurotypical, writing a book, starting a business, creating a venture. Your your
616. 1:50:53voice matters. What's on your mind today? And neurospicy, write however feels right today. Bullet points, paragraphs. Okay. So, so let's
617. 1:51:04go look at something here. Okay. Add journaling app features. Um, connect with lovable cloud. Okay. So,
618. 1:51:15this is really important. Lovable Cloud is their built-in back-end database. So, it allows you to like when someone
619. 1:51:27journals, it could be those ideas could be amplified with AI. Oh, actually that's what we'll do here. Okay. And
620. 1:51:33then it also enables um login and it also enables database so people can save their journal entries. Right. So, we're going to enable cloud.
621. 1:51:52Gemini and Nano Banana are free this weekend. Okay, cool. Yeah. So, if you want to do testing, this would be a good
622. 1:51:58weekend to do it. Okay, great. So, wait. So, wait, did I enable the cloud? Allow. Okay, we've got five minutes left. Do Am I
623. 1:52:12done thinking that's cloud? Okay, here's our thing. I don't know. Okay, perfect. Lovable cloud is now enabled. You have a
624. 1:52:20database. You have user authentication and file storage. Great. Okay. So, I'm going to go um two additions. Um, neuro
625. 1:52:35spicy interface. Interface should be um bare minimum where
626. 1:52:51neurotypical. What the [ __ ] neurotypical is like it is now. And then um I'm going to go
627. 1:53:07I want there to be a journal entry amplification button
628. 1:53:22that that either expands on the ideas or creates an image. if it is a more contemplative
629. 1:53:40entry. So, if someone puts an idea in their journal entry, you you can hit the AI button and it'll amplify it. And if
630. 1:53:49you were just like, I feel like [ __ ] today. Um, which you know, most days, it'll make a picture for you.
631. 1:53:59You know, you have a voice button there, but it doesn't work. Oh, it does work. Well, whatever. All right. Oh, you mean
632. 1:54:04I got a voice button right here? Yeah, I know. I know. Okay. But anyway, like this this works, right? This is a this
633. 1:54:13is a functional application right now. Except I don't have a submit button, do I? No. How do I submit? Express yourself
634. 1:54:22however it works for you. No rules, just flow. Uh uh uh uh enabled AI auto approved
635. 1:54:40and then now if I go to code. Yeah. So so now you look over at code. So it's created all of these files like there's
636. 1:54:46our favicon file which you could probably swap that out for your own logo. Um here's components UI.
637. 1:54:54These are all code [ __ ] text that if you were a developer, you would have to make all this [ __ ] You'd have to go hand type this or copy
638. 1:55:04and paste it or whatever the [ __ ] you do. It's just all in here. Done. Done. All right. Did this I think we're still Is it still going?
639. 1:55:20Um, reload. All right. So, it took away some of the elements. All right. Creating adventure
640. 1:55:36amplify entry. Okay. Um, I have an idea for um gummy bear pizza. Amplify entry.
641. 1:55:52Amplifying. What's it going to do? Expanded ideas. That's a fun idea. Gummy bear pizzas. Immediately sparks curiosity. Let's
642. 1:56:04expand on this a bit. Actionable insights and deeper questions. Target audience. Is this for kids parties, novelty candle, candy shops, or
643. 1:56:12whimsical adult snack? This will influence presentation. Look at that. That's beautiful. It's um we've got to be able to Okay, wait. Um
644. 1:56:23we need to be able to render the markdown um in your amplified answer.
645. 1:56:38Time check. 9:59. Anyway, so we're done. Thank you so much for helping me out with this idea. There you go. I consider
646. 1:56:45my face melted already. Good. Good. I love what you did. Good. So, so and and this is so if you've never heard the
647. 1:56:53term vibe coding, the whole idea is you're just kind of vibing. You're like, "Yeah, I want it to do this." Well,
648. 1:56:58couldn't it do that? I wanted to have a dark background, not a light background. Thank you so much for helping me out
649. 1:57:04with this idea. You're welcome. All right. What's the best way to create apps within a corporation with no data
650. 1:57:13leakage risk? um talk to your IT group right now. Right now, like even Sam Alman said in the current uh in the
651. 1:57:26current chat GPT with their with their connectors, he basically said assume that everything in here is available to the public.
652. 1:57:35Um you you need to you need to build systems that are inside firewalls and things like that or you need to do more
653. 1:57:42traditional app development. um that has, you know, certified AI hooks into your APIs and into your company. Oh, publish it. Um, sure.
654. 1:57:54Ignite Dreamforge.lovable. No, we're going to call this um Wait, what's your name? Uh, Bergman. Bergman Journal.
655. 1:58:07B E R G M-n B E R G M-n Oh, wait. Can I change that? Yeah, I can. Bergman dashjournal.lovable.app
656. 1:58:22publish. You just shipped. Okay, so that's live. So Todd, you can go you can go play with
657. 1:58:39the app I just built. Okay, I'm gonna let me see. I'm going to say I feel wistful and then I'm going to say amplify entry
658. 1:58:47and it should make us a picture. Let's see if it does. Take your time. There's no rush. No. No, that's not it. Oh, I didn't save
659. 1:58:59it. Oh [ __ ] Oh well. Can I change it? Edit. Bergman dashjournal.lovable.out.
660. 1:59:13Check. Save. Published. See if it worked. Wait. Published. Publishing. Look, it made us an image. Project updated.
661. 1:59:28Look, I'm feeling wistful. Look, it says wisful on a rock. Gummy bear p sounds like an edible store. It actually does. Look at this.
662. 1:59:41This is so cool. Um so so wait now I'm gonna say I feel wistful and I have an idea for gummy um pizza. Gummy bear pizza.
663. 1:59:56I know we're supposed to be out of here by now. I know. I understand. I understand. It's midnight on the East
664. 2:00:01Coast and people are weird for still being here. Amplifying. Let's see if it gets rid of our image and replaces it with words or does both.
665. 2:00:09It just expanded the ideas. But that's pretty smart. And look, now it now it does it. It read the markdown. See,
666. 2:00:15before it didn't have the markdown. It was all gobbledygook. And now it's like nicely formatted. That's a fantastic evocative start.
667. 2:00:25Deconstruct the whimsy flavor profile and texture. Yeah, I This is good. An amplifying journal. Oh my god, that's
668. 2:00:33great. Yeah, it's great. Right. And and what did I put in there? I Todd, I put in shitty prompts. Shitty prompts,
669. 2:00:40right? You saw the prompts I put in. I had 12 minutes. Imagine if you actually thought about them. Imagine if you went
670. 2:00:47to Chat GPT, really got all the ideas out of your head, had have chat GPT, organize it, have it build that app.
671. 2:00:53Anyway, there you go. You're off. What platform? Lovable.dev. Then in one shot yesterday, I met a polit a political site that polls
672. 2:01:03updates on current bills in your state. Beautiful. This is this is the world we're going into, right? What's the best
673. 2:01:11way to create apps? Oh, yeah. With no leakage risk. Lovable.dev. This is the world we're entering where anyone can
674. 2:01:18have an app idea and just [ __ ] speak it into existence. Don't let the the the tech bros harsh your scene, man.
675. 2:01:31Because technologists right now are like, "Well, this is not as good as real code, you know? Why don't you try
676. 2:01:36scaling that to a million people?" Why don't you shut the [ __ ] up? Like, why don't you let people who have ideas,
677. 2:01:42who've never been able to code anything, get something in the world and see what it's like, right? That's the world we're
678. 2:01:51in right now. And and they're right. These apps that you build in like Lovable, can this scale to a million
679. 2:01:58users? Probably not economically viable. It'll be good for Lovable, but not for you. But at the point at which if you've
680. 2:02:06built something that's getting traction, you can go raise money on that. You can go, right? You can go there's all sorts
681. 2:02:12of things you can do after that. Hire a real developer to make it bulletproof and things like that. Yeah. This is what what you're what
682. 2:02:20we're in an era right now where English is a programming language, right? All you have to do is ask for
683. 2:02:26what you want. It's absolutely crazy. Okay, have a fantastic weekend everybody. I hope you enjoyed Friday night date night and uh
684. 2:02:35yeah, do those things. Get your ass on Sora. Like Todd, if if you haven't vibecoded something, go to lovable.dev
685. 2:02:43and make yourself an app. It will melt your face. Um, and then if you if you haven't done something, uh, what did I
686. 2:02:51say for the what was the the the side quest? Oh, go start exploring in chat GBT the new apps being incorporated into
687. 2:02:58it. Just experience what that's like. Peace out. Hope you have a great weekend. I promise, my friend, you're going to
688. 2:03:07see me make something of this. Good. [ __ ] do it and come back and share share it with us. All right. Good luck,
689. 2:03:13Todd. Have fun. Have fun this weekend. Here's the deal. If you put eight hours this weekend, four hours on
690. 2:03:20Saturday, four on Sunday, you figure out how to split it up in lovable, just refining that app idea. By Sunday night,
691. 2:03:29you will have something that that you did not think was possible, and it'll probably be really good. All right, good luck.