8/4/2025 - Navigating the Jank: AI Tools and Chain of Craft

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1. 0:00[Music] She came on here like slow moving color
2. 0:14front, but his beard was warmer than a look in her eyes. She sat on a stool and he said, "What do
3. 0:30you want?" >> She said, "Give me a love that don't freeze up inside. [Music] [Applause] [Music]
4. 0:48I have melted some in my time, dear. Bugs are sitting next to you and I shiver and shake.
5. 1:03And if I knew love, well, I don't think I'd be here. [Music] Asking myself if I've got boo [Music]
6. 1:19your icy blue heart. [Music] Should I stop? Turtle's been frozen for years.
7. 1:36Into a river of tears. Yay. Yay. That's it. Shamp. No more singing. [Music]
8. 2:07You want me to move that wire? Is that wire in your way? Let me get rid of that. There you go. Good evening, good people. What's
9. 2:17shaking? What's going down? What's happening? We're back to our regularly scheduled Quad Stream. It's the patented Quad
10. 2:27Stream technology patented by Kyle Shannon. Hi, I'm Kyle Shannon. Um, yeah, Quadream. We're on Tik Tok. We're on YouTube. We're on LinkedIn.
11. 2:40We're on X, formerly known as Twitter. So, it's almost five now with 100% more jank. It's a good one.
12. 2:57Now, even jankier. Um, do me a favor. If you're on TikTok, you know what to do. Share the live. Tell your friends. Call
13. 3:05your friends and neighbors who hate AI. They're our favorites. I'll tell you what, when you take someone that hated it but has never
14. 3:15tried it and then they try it and they're like, "Oh my god, I didn't realize it could do that." That's a good day. That is a good day,
15. 3:25my friends. Good, good, good day. Where is my mouse? There it is. Okay, that's all going there. Cam Ken, how are
16. 3:34you tonight? I am good. It is meltdown Monday. We'll see if anyone asks a question that sends me into a tizzy. [Music]
17. 3:57Sitting in this lonely town wondering things are going to change. Dream my life away. Seems these dreams have turned to a
18. 4:12bunch dust clouds. Get my nerve up. But my past is pulling me down. [Music] Somebody tell me once before. Oh no,
19. 4:27wait. That's not right. I haven't sang that song too long. I don't know them dare words. Words is hard, people. Listen, words is hard.
20. 4:40Have you ever tried using words? Words is hard. I don't know how to use words. Here's the thing about AI. You got to be pretty
21. 4:49good at words. Unless you don't have to be. See? See what I'm saying? It's a word thing. If you're good at
22. 5:01words, then you use your words. But sometimes you don't need your words. then you don't use use your words.
23. 5:11My name's Kyle Shannon and I'm an expert on AI with words. You put the words in the hole chat hole. You put the words in
24. 5:20the chat hole and you push the button. That'll be $149.99. $149.99 for put the words in the chat hole.
25. 5:36AI master class right here.
26. 5:51[Music] Source camp is here. We can start.
27. 6:05We can create smut on grock. Yay, we did it. We can finally create our own prawn cuz you don't want to say the P word.
28. 6:20Cam Ken, did you read the book about Sam Alman? Opt optimistic by Kee Haggy. I have not. I I am generally not a reader.
29. 6:30What I will commit to is asking Chad GPT about it. Corn. Yes, corn. We can finally make our own corn chowder on Grock. Thank
30. 6:45goodness. [Music]
31. 7:21Yes, Kyle, did you see that you got asked to be part of Pika's creator program? Yeah, that's awesome, Danielle.
32. 7:26I I don't think I'm a part of that one. I'm not really sure. I don't remember. Kyle, so what do you think?
33. 7:33Which numbers are higher? Folks that don't like AI or folks that are scared of it? And any solutions for both? That's
34. 7:44interesting. I think there's a third category. So, folks that are scared of it. Wait. Yeah, folks that are scared. folks that
35. 7:55don't like it for whatever reason, right? They've taken a stand. It steals. It's the world's greatest plagiarism
36. 8:00machine. All them students are cheating. We're not going to let them use AI because all them students are cheating.
37. 8:07Hey, question. What technology you think they're going to use when they graduate college? Well, AI. Well, why don't you
38. 8:12teach them that in school? Because it's cheating. I don't know why school administrators always talk with their bottom lip out
39. 8:21like that. It's weird. It doesn't make him look very smart. Anyway, you got those two and I say there's a third category which is they
40. 8:31haven't heard of chat GPT. They don't know. They have no [ __ ] clue. Um, I I would argue I would argue that the
41. 8:49people that are afraid of AI and the people that are angry at AI are roughly the same crowd. If they're if they're
42. 8:55aware of it, you know, they're either like, "Oh, the robots are going to kill us," or, "Oh, it's, you know, it's it's
43. 9:00ruining everyone's lives." I would call them the conscientious objectors. Here's my guess. And I'm sure there's stats on this right
44. 9:14now. Eight minutes in. Meltdown already. Yeah, good question. Ocean. Way to get me way to get me fired up. Eight minutes in. Um,
45. 9:31so I think chat GPT has 700 million users. I would argue just judging just judging by the reaction I got from the crash course
46. 9:46last night la last week when we did chat GPT night. A lot of the audience has used chat GPT and a lot of the audience learned
47. 9:57something new that it did Tuesday night. Um, so my guess is that
48. 10:11maybe maybe 10% and I don't think it's that high. I still think it's single digits. I think 8% maybe
49. 10:23of people using generative AI, chat GPT, things like that are using it on a regular basis. I think there are a large group of
50. 10:32people that don't hate it or maybe are a little bit afraid of it. Say that they use it but really don't use it kind of
51. 10:38like a Google search. They occasionally use it. That's pro that probably takes us to 30%. Right? So less than 10% actually
52. 10:49use it. Probably less than 5% really use it. Less than 10 use it. Up to 30 eh don't really use it. And then I think, you know, and then I
53. 11:02think you've got people who've maybe tried it once. You got you get up to like 50% of people that are aware of it. And then and then
54. 11:11you get into that range where you know people who've never heard of it. Last November it was 45%. 45% of Americans
55. 11:23last November, so coming up on a year ago, had never heard of Chat GPT. So maybe that number is down to 30. So you got 30%
56. 11:34that don't even know what it is. You got another 20% that are aware of it, but they're sitting it out. I'm scared of
57. 11:42it. I'm pissed off at it. It's going to take my job. I just don't want to deal with it. And then you have like half are
58. 11:50kind of dealing with it. But I mean, if you're talking about 5% actually using it, it means that we're still incredibly early.
59. 12:00Looks like we've got someone from Kenya checking in on the live. Welcome, welcome, welcome. So, I don't know if that answered your
60. 12:09question. Oh, wait. What's it say? Oh, any solutions for both? Yes. The absolute key to getting people who are afraid of AI or pissed off at
61. 12:23AI. To use AI is to get them to use AI. And I wish it were different than that. It's not. You You can't explain this stuff
62. 12:37until someone has had their own Kevin Mallister moment. Until they've had that moment where they're like, "Oh my god, I had no idea."
63. 12:47And I think it's also, you know, one of the things we talked about, I think on Monday was, yeah, when we were talking about the
64. 12:55difference between um traditional AI and post chat GPT AI, most people that are not dealing with AI probably think they need a math degree
65. 13:08to be any good at it. that they don't actually they haven't actually taken in that you can just use your words even though words is hard.
66. 13:17[Music] I have a 70-year-old in my housing household totally addicted to AI now. That's the thing, man. I'll tell you
67. 13:27what, when the skeptics get converted, they're they're like, you know, you know what it is? It's like um it's like it's
68. 13:36like uh the ones that are like I'll never be an AA, they they become like the biggest AA, you know, evangelists. It's it's like AI AI AA
69. 13:49that the ones that said they hated it the most, those are the ones that are like, it's really good. It's really
70. 13:53amazing. It can really light some things up. Yes. He says he doesn't know what he would do without it at this point. Yeah,
71. 14:04there you go. What's happening, Moosh? What I love about this channel is we actually use the tools. Most others just
72. 14:12talk about theory. Well, listen, not for nothing, Kelly. I can talk theory. When when considering the when delving
73. 14:22deep into the tapestry of the paradigm of artificial intelligence, one can surmise deeply deeply within the profound impacts.
74. 14:37We can do theory here. I'll talk theory as if I have qualifications. I'll do it. You know, I'll do it for a flipping hour.
75. 14:47You want professorial? I'll give you professorial. And not just because my eyebrows look like this. I've actually
76. 14:53trimmed them. Hey, anybody noticed I got a haircut? Do I look pretty? Do I look cute? Do I look cute? Tell me I look cute. [Music]
77. 15:07You know what I'm cranky about? None of you are regulars noticed my haircut. Oh, nice cut. Yeah, Moosh. Moosh comes in. Moosh, you
78. 15:20started here with the with the AI crash course, right? Moosh comes in and he's he's paying the compliments. All you are
79. 15:28regulars already take me for granted. [Music]
80. 15:49Um, so if so if you did come here through uh through the back to basics crash course, couple of things. Let me share something
81. 15:58with you. If you could pop open the share screen there, Yan Brandon, I don't know if you're there. You there? All right. So, if you are um
82. 16:14if you caught some of the week last week for the the back to basics AI crash course or you want to rewatch them, the the fiveday
83. 16:25sequence is available on demand. So, if you go to the AI learning lab website, so it's learning lab-ai, that's the
84. 16:32that's the the handle. It's got this beautiful image that I made with stable diffusion in 2022. That was one that almost made me cry. It
85. 16:43took my breath away when I made that image. And then you'll notice here there's so if you haven't subscribed,
86. 16:50just subscribe. Subscribing is free. That's how you get notified when I go live. To the right of it is the join
87. 16:55button. So, if you want access to the on demand, um, you can either click the join button or you can click the back to
88. 17:03basics thumbnail here and it will take you in and say, "Oops, you've got to be a a member or you've got to join the
89. 17:09channel. You got to be a member um of the workshops and highlights level, which is $9.99." Okay. So, if you want
90. 17:17the on demand from last week, um, do that. I'm also going to be putting up a bunch of shorts um you know this weekend next of some of
91. 17:27some of the stuff we captured in there. And in fact, I put up a thing. So um I don't know if Lord Digital Gods is is on
92. 17:33yet, but Lord Digital Gods um does all of our transcripts and chapters on YouTube. And because of how we did it
93. 17:42last week, it was not easy to do. So he manually downloaded them and created transcripts and things like that. So, I
94. 17:49took all of the transcripts from last week and I put them into Notebook LM and I generated a video podcast. Um, I I
95. 17:58generated a bunch of them actually, some audio ones, some video ones. Um, and one of the ones that it made was in the first person.
96. 18:07And um, so I thought, oh, wouldn't it be cool if I swap out the voice of their podcast thinging and I'll swap in my
97. 18:14voice. So, one of the things I'll do tonight is I'll walk you through the the chain of craft of how I have how I did
98. 18:20all that. So, um I'm not going to do that now. But if you if you want to um watch the back to basics course on
99. 18:28demand, that's how you do it. All right. Lord Digital Gods is amazing. Lord Digital Gods is amazing actually now
100. 18:36that you say it that way. Well, why didn't you say it before? Oh, do DQ Blizzard. All right, Kyle, what do you think of
101. 18:46Zuckerberg's announcement of moving toward personal ASIS for everyone? Um,
102. 19:02I think Zuckerberg suffers from a lot of things. He suffers from a kind of myopia.
103. 19:17That is when he gets something in his head that something's cool that all he has to do is talk about it and people will immediately see the
104. 19:26value in it. Um, and so and I think he did that with the metaverse stuff. He was like, you know, we're going to have the best metaverse
105. 19:36ever. We're going to change our name to Meta, as in metaverse. get it. Um, and the answer was no, we don't get it.
106. 19:52And so I think his, you know, an ASI on every table, you know, an ASI on every phone or whatever he said. Um, I think
107. 20:02it kind of lives in that neighborhood. Um, Meta is very far behind. So, so check this out. If you want to know if we're
108. 20:15in a tech bubble or not, there's a 24 year old researcher, I forget his name. I assume he works at OpenAI. 24 years old 24 year old
109. 20:31AI researcher. they offered him $125 million um salary andor bonus or something like that and he turned it down. And so Zuck
110. 20:47personally doubled it. $250 million to a 24 year old engineer. That's how far behind Well, well, so so
111. 21:01a couple of things. Meta is that far behind and it seems to be clear that there are tens if not hundreds of trillions of
112. 21:14dollars on the line. So these companies are big enough that they can make quarter billion dollar bets on a 24y old.
113. 21:38Oh my god, it's exhausting. But if if you've got any question of whether or not AI is going to go away,
114. 21:56that that question needs to erase itself from your brain. That that's one of the things one of the things that I think
115. 22:03I think the blockchain and NFT bros have have done more damage than they realize. You know, not just wiping out, you know, pension funds and
116. 22:16and you know, billions of dollars of people's net worth. Um I think there's a real skepticism for the what's next in what's the next big
117. 22:27thing in tech because of blockchains and NFTTS that people are like yeah that was all [ __ ] and then AI came along and
118. 22:35I think there's a cynicism like oh this is your next big thing tech bros now it's AI it's not NFTTS anymore you sure
119. 22:43now it's AI so we should oh we should believe you on this one oh Zuckerberg made a video calling it artificial super
120. 22:51intelligence. Is this like a super NFT? You know, like like if you're sitting on the outside of this, it it doesn't make sense.
121. 23:05But if you if you show up to channels like this and you're actually trying to figure it out and you're actually
122. 23:10playing with it and you're like Moosh, who's like, "Fuck it. I'm going to figure this out. Let's go." You you're way ahead of the pack right
123. 23:18now. So, you should you should pat yourself on the back um because it ain't going away and it is getting really good. I I'm going to play
124. 23:27tonight with Grock as well. Um, Grock came out with their imagine tool, which is their image gen and video maker.
125. 23:36That's kind of like kind of like kind of like ideog, kind of like chat GPT, not really like MidJourney, but it's got
126. 23:49the simplicity of MidJourney's video making. Um, plus you can make smut.
127. 24:04You mentioned wanting to show the slide from last week in a regular. I don't know which one that means. Which which slide, Brandon? [Music]
128. 24:21meaning I was going to put it in the regulars but didn't. [Music] >> Hey Kyle, welcome back. >> Hey, I don't know what you're talking about.
129. 24:34>> Sometimes it's just easier to jump up. Um, in the pre-show we had talked about that you were going to um share in the
130. 24:42regular channel. You had posted last week your slide that um had all of the different things on it and we were going
131. 24:49to share that. Oh, the creative ones. No, I was actually just talking about showing the slide with the with the with
132. 24:54the uh YouTube URL on it was what I was talking about before. That's all right. Talking about >> Okay.
133. 25:02>> But speaking of a regulars, Steo's got an image for you in there while I'm talking. >> I know there's no such thing as a bad
134. 25:16question. Oh, good lord. Good lord. Good lordy. Good lordy. All right.
135. 25:31So, what are we going to do tonight? Who's got questions? Anybody have any questions? Anyone have any questions
136. 25:36from last week? I know last week, I don't know about you, but who was here last week? Who saw it? Was it valuable?
137. 25:46Like were you as overwhelmed as I was with what is considered back to basics? Like I a whole other strategy could have been
138. 25:58taking one feature in chat GBT and just doing that for a week. That could have been another strategy. June Mary liked it. It was so good. I
139. 26:10was here every day. Thank you, Danielle. I saw the first episode and somewhat totally forgot to tune in for each night
140. 26:18after. Ah, well, it's available on demand. I'm having trouble with my canvas disappearing. Oh, that's interesting. You can pop them back up.
141. 26:27Oh, you mean they're just disappearing entirely from the chat? Yeah, I've had that a couple of times. Chat GBT really
142. 26:32is a janky mess. Last week was fire. Cool. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. I'm not just
143. 26:41fishing for compliments here, by the way. Really, I'm not. Don't tell me I'm awesome. Okay, don't do it. Um, no, I'm not. I I uh
144. 26:53I'm actually curious like if because one of the things Brandon and I were talking about is doing like doing maybe a quarterly version of
145. 27:06that. Um, but like I it's I don't know. It's so hard to it's so hard to figure out what to put in there. I I think maybe next time it's
146. 27:21something all about use cases or something like that. Oh, the the option to use canvas is is now gone.
147. 27:31That uh cam that can be depending on the model you're using. Some models can't use canvas. I think like I think 4.5
148. 27:41can't use canvas. Let me check. That's ide.
149. 27:58If I go to 4.5, go to tools. Canvas is there. Huh. If I go to 03 canvas is there and I think the other
150. 28:11thing you can do cam is you can type in slashcanvas. So let me let me turn off canvas. Type in slashcanvas.
151. 28:24Oh yeah it just it shows up there. So even if you do that it doesn't show up like right and Epic poem
152. 28:40about the man. You facure of hot dogs
153. 28:58Homer style. We'll see if it does Homer Simpson or Greek Homer. All right. It did it as a Oh, failed to generate.
154. 29:12What? Try again. It didn't like pig lips apparently. Oh, failed to generate. Oh, it's we're we are hung. Try again.
155. 29:33typing the ballot of the flaming frank. Oh muse, ignite thy charcoal tongue and sing of meat so finely rung of
156. 29:44hallowed hales where nitrites nitrates dwell where sage butchers cast their spell. begin with beast beasts of hoof and horn
157. 29:55midwestern fed pasture-born whose noble flesh by fate's decree would fill the tubes of destiny.
158. 30:11They came by truck in twilight shade to gates where stainless saints have prayed and offered up the sacred grace. Their
159. 30:19loins to feed the human race. A thousand blades a chorus rose like Hector's men and crimson throws with hiss of steam
160. 30:28and pistons thrum. The meat was ground to holy chum. If you have not made stupid poetry on
161. 30:43chat GPT, what are you doing with your life? Come on. Play first. Play first. I didn't say work first. I didn't say make an
162. 30:57automation first. I didn't say get more efficient first. I didn't say chat GPT can do data analysis first. I said play
163. 31:06first. What does play look like? Looks like epic poems about hot dogs to me. A bowl of thunder, vast and deep, did
164. 31:17churn the mix of ancient sleep with spice and lore, and flesh was blessed, then piped through skins by fates compressed,
165. 31:27linked the stars in sausage chains. The Frank was born in factory plains. In smoke it bathed, in brine it wept. While
166. 31:37Oshas gazed, eternal wept. Eternal kept. Okay. But wait, there's more. So, what we're going to do is we're going to
167. 31:50close this canvas. By the way, if you're new here, what's happening right now is what we lovingly term chat add, where I
168. 31:59think I came here for a reason. Oh, Cam Kakin said, "Hey, where's my canvas?" And I said, "Seems to be there for me,
169. 32:07but maybe it's a model thing." And then I wrote a poem about hot dogs. And now we're on a journey. Welcome.
170. 32:16This is the AI learning lab. My name is Kyle Shannon. Um, let's see. in an epic style. Create
171. 32:31an epic scene of hot dog soldiers.
172. 32:47Um, for ever seen. I did it as a rhyme. Look at that. Um, epic style. Forever seen. Um, classical
173. 33:07painting style. Give me a hero image for the poem. Poem
174. 33:22poem. Um, classic painting style. Give me an a hero image for the poem. Um, do we want more than that? Uh,
175. 33:37it is dusk. It is dusk at the end of a weary
176. 33:54journey. I told you earlier people, words is hard. Okay, as Steve Martin once said, some people have a way with words, other people
177. 34:08not have way, I guess you'd say. You see the comedy there? Because it was about you assume that because he's saying it,
178. 34:23he has a way with words. Explaining jokes is really bad, right? Because I don't know if you're laughing. I It is possible someone laughed.
179. 34:39Kyle, I have a question. Can we trust that the economy will help everyone being automated out? No, we cannot trust that. Um,
180. 34:52I think that capitalism is going to do what capitalism's going to do, and the centers of power will do everything they can
181. 35:04to keep doing what they've been doing for the past 30 or 40 years, which is just, you know, cycle the wealth to the
182. 35:11top and just see how long we can take it. And I think I think a combination of um COVID and AI is going to break that. So
183. 35:24I think something is going to break at some point here. By the way, we got to stop this. Um it's making it square. We
184. 35:31don't want a square image. Make it a wide image. Okay. Um I laugh because I remember Steve Martin's delivery, which was funnier
185. 35:43than mine. I know because he's Steve Martin and I'm here. Um,
186. 35:57oh, back to the are are are is the government going to do the right thing? You remember when we went into lockdown
187. 36:06and it wasn't at all clear that anyone was ever going to work again and then government sent those checks out within
188. 36:14whatever it was three weeks it was like crazy fast I think if there is some precipitating event um the government can move fast right I
189. 36:25don't I don't think I don't think any politician is stupid enough to let the thing collapse right you know current
190. 36:32administration is trying to find out where the edges of that are um so they can you know pull even more money out of the system. But
191. 36:44I I think at some point at some point it's going to become obvious that we've got to do something. So that could look
192. 36:52like work programs, right? If you go do this kind of work in your community, we'll give you a check, right? Some sort
193. 36:57of, you know, like the like FDR's the highway thing. Was that FDR? I think that was FDR. So, you could see
194. 37:04something like that. Um, you could see universal basic income. David Shapiro's got a whole thing out right now called
195. 37:12um, uh, post labor economics. It's a whole six-part sort of economic plan. Now, is anyone going to adopt that? I don't know. But,
196. 37:21you know, there's some smart people thinking about this stuff. But, I don't I I I do not at all think Listen, our
197. 37:27government still doesn't know how Wi-Fi [ __ ] works. They're they they're not going to know about this. Look, we have epic hot dogs.
198. 37:45Let's see. Did I Did I get a hot dog here? Yes. All right. Let's go open that up. All right. So, put that there.
199. 38:04All right, you got it. It's looking good, right? Yeah. Good. Okay. So, now we're going to go over here. Edit message.
200. 38:30Yeah, beautiful. The epic of the crimson sausage. Sing muse of meat immortal and bold. Senue and spice and casings rolled of
201. 38:45grinders that roar and lathes that hum of hot dogs forged where heroes come. In factories vast, where steam gods dwell,
202. 38:55where apronclad titans with stories do tell, do battle with bone, with cleaver and flame, to birth the Frankfforter,
203. 39:05glory in name. This is a different one. This I guess this was the first one that it said it failed on. First came the s
204. 39:14from the corn-fed plain and cattle who grazed with drizzle and rain. They fell not in vain, those beasts of the land,
205. 39:22for destiny called with mechan wait mechanized hand. Wait, mechanied hand. Wow, good word. Good word. To the steel halls their hunches were
206. 39:35dragged to tables of chrome where butchers ragged. Sang chance of the blade of marrow and gristle of flesh flesh unmade swift bone whistle.
207. 39:47Grind, grind, oh hallowed machine. Tear senue to shreds. Render fat into sheen. And gar add garlic and pepper and salt
208. 39:54from the sea. Add secrets passed down ancestrally. [Laughter] Come on. You're telling me this isn't art? Telling me a can't be creative.
209. 40:12I challenge thee. I smack thee with a glove. [Music] the challenge she is on. [Music]
210. 40:28Rick McCaulay, what's happening, sir? I hope you're well. I I saw your post that you were hospitalized or something
211. 40:34weirdass happened. Hope you're okay. Good to see you here. Oh, man. Okay. Hot dogs fight. Love the pick. I know. That pick was great. Oh,
212. 40:45you know what I'll do? Let me grab this. Let's go put this in irregulars. I think there's nothing better than a good hot
213. 40:54dog image with an epic poem about hot dogs. So, where I am right now, if you are like, "But Kyle, how did you get
214. 41:02there? What is the What is the AI salon? What are you doing there? How did you get there? What is it?" There you go.
215. 41:08Right there. Right there. People, hang on. Just calm down. Calm down. There you go. If you're not a part of the salon,
216. 41:18go to community.thesalon.ai and join. And then if you scroll down on the lefthand side, there's a little area
217. 41:27called irregulars. And that's where the hot dog poem is going to live with the epic hot dog art.
218. 41:43And this probably gonna tell me it can't upload it because it's too big. Oh my god. I just I honest to God I I want to scream
219. 41:54at the top of my lungs at technologists who don't adopt standards or at other technologists who invent new standards just for the sake
220. 42:07of inventing a new standard. Who are you people? All right, JPEG desktop. We'll go downloads because that's where we already are.
221. 42:18We'll go back over here. We'll go do this. If you're wondering why I'm whining, that's my prerogative.
222. 42:26Do we have an image? Yes. Yes, we have an image. Should we make it a background image? What's that look like? Let's see. Post.
223. 42:38Don't notify. We're not going to notify the whole community. Oh, that's so good. Look at that, people. That's so good. I like it.
224. 42:51All right, there you go. The epic of the crimson sausage. Sing muse of meat mortal and bold.
225. 43:06Oh, good lord. All right, Kyle. I think my problem is I'm having trouble accessing Canvas from my custom
226. 43:19GPTs. Oh, Cam, I can fix that. I can fix your problem. I can fix your problem. I can fix your problem. I'm gonna fix your problem.
227. 43:32So Cam Katkin Rick 100% alive and thriving because AI saved my life. Thanks for asking, Kyle. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, I saw that
228. 43:45post. That's absolutely amazing. Citizens United agree. Immunity for social media. Yep. Repeal citizenship for
229. 43:56corporations. Yeah, exactly. that that would that would take us a good way there, wouldn't it? Okay. Um, we're
230. 44:04gonna we're gonna go new chat. We're gonna go new chat. So, um, let's go to Sin City Sipper and I'm going to say, um, now I may have
231. 44:16already adjusted this one. Let's do the reverse Gen X reverse HR translator. Um, tell me
232. 44:31why my coworker is triggered when I said my dog was fat.
233. 44:47[Laughter] Oh boy, you've just stepped on a landmine called pet parenting culture wars. Okay, whatever. So, I'm going to
234. 44:56say um add that to a canvas. Well, there it just added it. But let me go show you something. If you go if
235. 45:06we're going to go here to this one, close that. And we're going to say edit GPT. We go to configure I think. Yeah. So, one of the options
236. 45:21Cam in the configure tab is you can turn on or off canvas. My suspicion is that some of your custom GPTs don't have canvas turned on
237. 45:32could be. It might not be, but go check the one that doesn't have it. I bet that's what it is. And if I solved it,
238. 45:40then I'll be like, I have a purpose in this world. I I found my special purpose. Mom. Mom. Was it from the jerk?
239. 45:55Is it his mom? Mom. Mom. I found my special purpose. Can you show me where to find the configure tab? Yes, absolutely. Okay.
240. 46:08So, you're going to go to We'll just go to my salmon flying east. So, I'm at a custom GPT. Assuming that you're the one
241. 46:17that made it, go up here, go edit, and then that's going to drop you into this screen, the split screen where you
242. 46:24can test it on the right and configure it on the left. And then you've got the create button, which it looks like it's
243. 46:30defaulting back to or you've got the configure button. So, click on configure. here. And then you'll see like your name, your prompt,
244. 46:38your pre-written questions, any uploaded files, and then capabilities. Like this one, my salmon flying east one.
245. 46:46Nothing's turned on. Canvas isn't turned on. So, in fact, let's go test this one. Let me go back out because it because
246. 46:53it's not turned on. I'll say, um, tell me about act one in a canvas. And so it's just writing it.
247. 47:10It doesn't know what a canvas is. I think that's it. All right. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful.
248. 47:21Beautiful. Beautiful. [Music]
249. 47:46What's up, champ? You you you angling for cheese? What's going on? Why you imprint? [Music] Hang on. Hold, please.
250. 48:02You want to go out? We got a
251. 48:24All right, good people. Let's get something done here. Cam, did that solve your problem. H I checked and my canvas button was
252. 48:34checked. Then I got nothing for you. I got nothing. Back to not having a special purpose. Damn it. I was so close.
253. 48:44Okay, so here I am on Yan Yan iPad and it just has a keyboard because it's one of them magic keyboards. This this is
254. 48:54one of the slickest piece of engineering ever, right? You got you got yourself an iPad, you got yourself a keyboard,
255. 49:04it just snaps on there with magnets and starts charging. [ __ ] nuts. Or connects the keyboard, whatever. And you
256. 49:10can charge from the keyboard. Okay. Um, Grock, let's talk about Grock. So,
257. 49:26I'm trying to figure out if I talk about Grock seriously or not. And I think you have to because Grock 4
258. 49:36from a benchmark stand standpoint kind of blew a lot of other things out of the water. Um, it does look like it was what do
259. 49:44they call it? overfitted to the indexes to the to the benchmarks meaning they trained Grock to the benchmarks so that
260. 49:52it would it would perform higher um and then it's not as good at sort of general world stuff but even with the overfitting it's still pretty
261. 50:00impressive. So you've got you've got a large language model that's big and usable. Now they have created a standalone app.
262. 50:11They've created a standalone website. You can still access it within X within Twitter. One of the things that Grock has that
263. 50:22no other large language model has is Twitter data. So the one thing that I have been using Grock for recently is if I want to search news
264. 50:33like what's what's some AI AI news that's been talked about the past week or so. It's good at that because it's pulling
265. 50:43it it's pulling it from from Twitter's live feed. So, that's pretty good. Um, there's something about it to me that it
266. 50:54doesn't feel like a professional tool. And then and then there's something about the features they're adding to it that
267. 51:03make it seem like not a professional tool, but what it's doing is actually pretty impressive. So, let me let me
268. 51:11turn up my volume here. All right, that's up all the way. Go new. Okay. So, if you're if you're a paid
269. 51:26Grock member, every Grock member now has access to this new thing called uh Imagine, which is their image and video
270. 51:33generator. Do I have to turn down my brightness? I do. Way too bright. We're a little hot there, Jim. Hey, Jim. Jim.
271. 51:40Hey, could you bring the uh the iPad brightness down? Nobody can see. They were all blinded there. All right. Um
272. 51:48can I zoom in on any of this? No, of course not. Why use standard interface practices? Um, okay. Way at the tippy top,
273. 51:59you see chat and you see imagine or ask and imagine. Um, so we're in ask right now. So ask is the is the is the mode we're in. Um,
274. 52:14and then there's all these options. So chat GPT used to have options like this. Talk to Bad Rudy, which I'll get to in a
275. 52:21second. Voice mode, which is their advanced voice. Create images, which is different than imagine. Open the camera,
276. 52:28so you can do live. You can talk to this just like you can talk to Gemini or chat GPT. Um, analyze docs and then customize Grock.
277. 52:39Um, so it's got a fair amount of features. Um, bad Rudy as you can imagine. >> Hey Rudy, what's what's going on Rudy?
278. 52:57>> Yo, you pimplefaced needle dick dweeb. I'm just chugging cheap brew, smoking like a chimney and plotting to bang the
279. 53:04whole damn forest. What's good, loser? Touch some [ __ ] grass already. Sad I ain't king yet? >> No, I I don't want you to be king. I
280. 53:12just You haven't really dealt with Gen Xers, have you? You big pimple head. >> Gen Xers. Those flannel wearing whiny
281. 53:23ass middle-aged [ __ ] I'd eat their grunge [ __ ] for breakfast, you zitfaced tiny [ __ ] [ __ ] >> So, so, so if you want to be cussed at
282. 53:32by a teddy bear, you can be. Or a red panda, as it were. Um, Cam Ken, glad it worked. Fantastic. Nasty Nancy. We could also go to um um
283. 53:48we can also go to um Annie. We can talk to Annie, but she's 18 plus. And my fear if we talk to Annie is uh is we'll get banned on
284. 54:00TikTok, which we're going to shut down here as soon as they shut it down anyway. Um but there's also good Rudy.
285. 54:07Um but okay, so there's that. You can do that. So, what you've got in Grock right now is essentially like a chat GPT, but it's
286. 54:19also like a Gemini. It's also, you know, like uh an anthropic like everyone's got the things. Now, this imagine thing is
287. 54:28actually pretty interesting. So, I'm going to do new here. So, when you click to imagine, you get to, you know, a scrolly page of here's
288. 54:40[ __ ] everyone else is making, which we've seen that before. And I don't think there I don't think this is
289. 54:45dynamic, unlike um Deco here where you get a dynamic one of these. This is not dynamic. But the image model that that
290. 54:53these guys are using is is pretty crazy good. So, here's what we'll do. We'll go back to ask and I'll say I'll say uh let me speak it.
291. 55:02Write me 10 image prompts. >> Sure. Here are 10 image prompt ideas for you. A futuristic city at sunset with neon lit skyscrapers and fly.
292. 55:22>> Um, hang on. Write me 10 image prompts uh from the same movie. And each prompt should should describe
293. 55:35the visual style should describe the character in the scene, the setting in the scene and some unique visual element to the scene.
294. 56:06All right. So, it's writing us it's writing us prompts. Okay, cool. Um, in the cyber in the cyberpunk noir
295. 56:16visual style of Bladeunner, Richard Deckard stands pensively on a bustling rain stre. Did this just copy scenes from Bladeunner?
296. 56:28Yes, it did. That's funny. All right. Well, oh, that's the other thing about Grock. It doesn't seem to give a [ __ ]
297. 56:34about trademark or copyright, but copy. So, I'm going to copy one of these prompts and then I'm going to go over into imagine
298. 56:44and just paste it in there. Paste. You could also, if you want to use your brain to make the words, that's an option.
299. 57:00I don't, but you can. I spent 60 years using this [ __ ] brain. It's tired. All right, so there's our replicate. But now look how fast it
300. 57:14did it. And then as I scroll down, it's just making new like as I keep scrolling, it just keeps making new
301. 57:20images. Like if I scroll past where it is, it just keeps making new images. It looks like it's doing eight at a time
302. 57:30or maybe six at a time. I don't know. All right. And then any one of these I can just grab. Let me grab one that
303. 57:42doesn't have boobies of plenty. This one's good. That one looks kind of scary. All right. There she is. Right.
304. 57:50And then to make this into a movie, you can just click make movie or there's a little pull down menu and
305. 58:00there's custom where you can actually prompt it. There's spicy, there's spicy, there's fun, and then there's normal.
306. 58:15So, let's do normal to start. Listen, I'm happy to do spicy, but and then and then here's the other thing. So, apparently there there's a
307. 58:27couple of things about this. I have not found a way to have it do wide images. So, this is only tall images. Um,
308. 58:39I also don't know how to zoom in on this. There's not like a zoom zoom to frame, but down the left hand
309. 58:49side there's four different movies that it made. And then let me redo this. And I'm gonna
310. 59:04do this as fun this time. Let's do it as fun. See what it does. So these So Elon said, I don't know, three days
311. 59:16ago that they actually found the old archives of Vine. So if you had Vine videos up on Twitter Oh, that's cool.
312. 59:33So that's part of the fun prompt. That's movie one. Here's movie two. Looks kind of the same. So I guess
313. 59:46they're writing this prompts prompts in the background. All right. So we're going to redo it. I'm going to do it as spicy. And I'm
314. 59:55going to edit this. I'm not gonna I'm not going to just turn this around while it's making spicy videos. Okay. I get to
315. 1:00:04be private with my little spicy replicant. 60%. We're almost at spicy. [Music]
316. 1:00:20My good lord. Good lord. This makes the scene in Fatal Attraction look tame. Sir, sir, I do say compose yourself,
317. 1:00:37sir. Sir, what are your qualifications? [Laughter] Well, you will just have to leave that to your imagination.
318. 1:00:56It's a I'm a trifle warm. Is it is a little hot in heels at me? I sure could use an ice cold lemonade. Okay,
319. 1:01:07so that's Grock. So Grock I I mean Elon Elon's pushing the limits with this stuff. He's pushing the limits with
320. 1:01:14copyrighted material. You can you can use brands. If you wanted to say that hot chick in front of a McDonald's logo
321. 1:01:22with the spicy setting. By the way, what she did was she stood up from her chair and walked toward the camera while she kind of droed.
322. 1:01:35So apparently what's going to happen is that tool is basically just going to be the feeder tool for the new vine.
323. 1:01:45So, the new Vine is just going to be like, you know, it's going to be kind of like Pika, like Pika Labs has their uh, you
324. 1:01:55know, the their their content channel. That's that's what Vine's going to be. I assume you'll you'll still be able to
325. 1:02:01record stuff with Vine and, you know, do AI stuff with your own pictures and things like that, but it's going to be a
326. 1:02:07lot of a lot of that crap. So, anyway, take my money. How How much per month? 30 bucks. I think so. I I don't think
327. 1:02:14I'm paying 30 for it, Rick, but I think I got like a pro account early, so maybe I'm grandfathered in at a lower rate, or
328. 1:02:22maybe they raised my rate and I just didn't pay attention to it. But I think I think it's 30 bucks a month. Um, it's
329. 1:02:32I I mean the thing about the image generation, it's incredibly fast and the movie generation is incredibly low
330. 1:02:42low learning curve, right? All these other tools, as evidenced by the crash course last week, all these other tools
331. 1:02:49are getting more and more and more complicated. It looks like initially they're at least going the the route of
332. 1:02:55let's make it super dumbass simple and if you want to make some sexy wu anime chick that does what she does great go at it have fun. Um,
333. 1:03:13you know, I was saying before like, you know, you got to learn prompting unless you don't. When you start seeing tools
334. 1:03:20like that, you don't need a lot of you don't need a lot of sophistication around prompting. You can just go, "Make
335. 1:03:30me a picture of a hot cartoon chick in Japan." And then there it'll be. It'll be like, "I got to make that a movie." Oh, make it spicy.
336. 1:03:40Let me make 8,000 of those over the next month. Right. The on-ramp to how people come into the AI world is not necessarily going to be
337. 1:03:52the path that all of us took. Um, so better better get you your tea off before Marge gets in.
338. 1:04:08Oh man, Mr. It is late. What is going on? Okay, let me go find this article that I wrote today.
339. 1:04:32[Music] All right, here it is. Here's the post. Good day to you, sir. Good day. All right. Um, I've got to give you a
340. 1:04:46different kind of share screen here. If anybody has any questions, producer Brandon will flag them and field them. Okay. So, earlier today
341. 1:05:02I wrote this post. If you treat a AI like a genius, you'll you'll be disappointed. If you treat it like an intern, AI makes you a genius.
342. 1:05:12And and then there's a video that goes with it, and I'll come back to Chain of Craft in a minute. So, let me just play a
343. 1:05:19little bit of the video. Six years. All right. Let's talk about something that feels like it just appeared out of
344. 1:05:25nowhere, right? Generative AI. It is a >> And so notice that's my voice. Not 100% like it, but in the hood.
345. 1:05:32>> Huge deal. But here's the thing. Almost everyone is thinking about it completely the wrong way. So just to give you a
346. 1:05:38sense of how dramatically things have shifted. Get a load of this number. 100 million. That's how many people started
347. 1:05:45using Chat GPT in just six weeks. Six weeks. You know how long it took the internet, the actual worldwide web to
348. 1:05:52get that many users? Six years. This isn't just another tech trend, you guys. >> All right. And then five different
349. 1:06:01>> to approach it differently. >> And so there were a couple of things about it. So this this so what I did,
350. 1:06:07>> you don't need to go sign up for some boring class. >> I went to Oh, wait. I'll I'll do it here. Oh, no,
351. 1:06:16I won't. Let me let me switch how I'm doing my tabs again. Um, that's that. Go here. We're going to go
352. 1:06:31here. I'm going to go to Notebook LM. Okay.
353. 1:06:49Ah, back to basics. Here we go. Okay, so I took the transcripts that Lord Digital gods made and I upload uploaded
354. 1:06:59them into notebook LM. Um, I made a mind map which was interesting. So like here's all the different things
355. 1:07:07we talked about. This is kind of cool. I don't Can we share notebook? LMS yet in a in a in an easy kind of way. Anybody
356. 1:07:16know? Yes. All right. So, I might share this. Um, and then I did a couple of audio overviews and I did a video overview.
357. 1:07:27And so, the video overview, I think it's this one. Oh, you won't be able to hear it. Yeah, that's it. But anyway, it did it in my firsterson
358. 1:07:39voice. So, one of the things that I did over on LinkedIn, and I'm going to go on ahead and encourage you all to do this.
359. 1:07:48So, it used to be if you would put something on um you know, you'd share something, people are like, you know, if
360. 1:07:56if you want to be a good citizen, share your prompt. Well, I think that we're getting to a point now where sharing
361. 1:08:02your prompt's not all that interesting because you can get anything to write you a prompt really quickly and and
362. 1:08:07there's no single way to do that. But sharing your chain of craft, I think, is actually kind of interesting because it
363. 1:08:14gives people ideas of, oh, there was a lot more to this than just he pushed a button and outs squirted some crap,
364. 1:08:20right? So, so my chain of craft here was, you know, I created the the five-day course and and gave that last
365. 1:08:28week. Lord Digital Gods transcribed those things and and we uploaded them or I uploaded them to Notebook LM. Then I
366. 1:08:37created multiple audio and video overviews and then I found this one that I liked good enough to share and it was in the
367. 1:08:44first person and I thought hey wait a minute why don't I um um change it to my voice. So, if you've never seen that feature in 11 Labs
368. 1:09:03down the left hand side here is a thing called voice changer. And so I went into voice changer and I had, you know, at some point in my
369. 1:09:16history I'd made a clone of my voice. And if you want to make a clone of your voice, you basically go to voices,
370. 1:09:22voices over here, and you say plus, and you can clone your voice. So, I had done that before. So, here's part of the
371. 1:09:29chain of craft that I didn't include. I went to Oh. Oh, let me show you another part of the chain of craft I didn't include. So, here I am.
372. 1:09:40Here I am in QuickTime Player, right? And so what I downloaded is this movie that has the graphics as well as the audio. So
373. 1:09:52what I had to do was I had to export out the audio and then I went to 11 Labs and I imported the audio. And because
374. 1:10:06this is so [ __ ] exhausting because 11 Labs has a fiveminute um maximum length for swapping out voice. I had to go back to QuickTime and
375. 1:10:18I had to split this into two movies. Like there were multiple times in just trying to do this simple LinkedIn post that I almost gave up.
376. 1:10:28One of them was, "Oh, I've got to [ __ ] split this." So I basically had to go to a point in the thing. I went to
377. 1:10:35that point right there where it switches to that slide. And so I split the clip in half and then I exported the two things of audio
378. 1:10:43and then imported them each separately, generated the Kyle version of it. Then I went back to QuickTime, deleted the audio from these files,
379. 1:10:53dragged and dropped the audio from 11 Labs. Hang on a sec. I'll get to it. Uh, the max length of voice change is five
380. 1:11:04minutes. That's that's what I landed on. Um, I mean, that that was the the problem I had. But wait, the but wait, there's more.
381. 1:11:16So, then I went to So, so wait. So, then I I I swapped back in my voice to the two clips. Then I, you know,
382. 1:11:26stitched them together. You say add to the end of clip. So you can make it one big clip again and I'm done. Right. So then I go to Twitter
383. 1:11:40and I upload the file and it uploads successfully, which that's one of my big problems is they never upload
384. 1:11:46successfully. It does. And it's missing the audio. And I saved the file three different times. I exported it as a different
385. 1:11:56thing. Still no audio. So then what I realized is it's probably some weird version of M4A that 11 Labs uses that works on a Mac
386. 1:12:09but doesn't work in Twitter's video player because video is a secondass citizen on Twitter. So So I go back and I find an online M4A to MP3
387. 1:12:25converter. I take my original Kyle files, I convert them to MP3, I redo the videos, I restitch them together, I
388. 1:12:33upload it to Twitter, it works, and then I go over to LinkedIn. And so in this chain of craft right here is probably about
389. 1:12:47a dozen steps of me cussing that I just didn't even put in here. But that's the state of the the state of the industry right now is
390. 1:13:02if you want to do something simple, it's actually quite hard and and to to be hang on to be competent with AI, you need to
391. 1:13:18know lots of tools and you need to know which ones have quirks and which ones don't. And there's there's no way to learn that.
392. 1:13:27That's not it's not going to be documented anywhere because by the time someone would document one of these
393. 1:13:32bugs, it'll be fixed or the tool won't exist anymore. So probably for the next three years, adaptability, curiosity,
394. 1:13:42um critical thinking, just play, play, play, understanding how to play with all these tools, how to duct tape stuff
395. 1:13:51together. We have, you know, Rick McCauley's really good at this stuff here, you know. Um, actually, all of you are really good at
396. 1:14:01this stuff. One more thing, Steve Jobs. Two more problems, Kyle Shannon. Yeah, exactly. Here, hang on. I'm almost I'm
397. 1:14:10almost done. I'm at the upload button. And so, not only did it upload, it uploaded and then the audio was missing.
398. 1:14:18And then it was another, I don't know, 35, 40 minutes of [ __ ] troubleshooting. And at that point, I was just pissed.
399. 1:14:26I'm just like, this is I'm gonna put this up if it's But anyway, I think this idea of sharing your chain of craft, if you've done
400. 1:14:36something that is is decently substantive, do that. And here's I want to share with you a uh a post that I did. Is this it here?
401. 1:14:51Yeah. So, my friend Retesh put up this post by Shane Heath, um, who's the co-founder and CEO at Mudwater, and
402. 1:15:06he go, so he's a consumer packaged goods CEO, and he said, to make this a year ago, it would have cost six figures at least. I
403. 1:15:18It would have also required countless meetings, planning, production, days of shooting and editing. It took me two
404. 1:15:23hours and cost me maybe $100 in prompting steps. And so here here he's doing his chain of craft. Write the script using two column table
405. 1:15:33in notion. One for visual, one for audio. And it looks like so it looks like he wrote the script himself. Used 11 Labs
406. 1:15:42to make the voice over. Bert Reynolds voice. Used V3 to make the clips. Used chat GPD to help with visual prompts.
407. 1:15:49Then I edited in Da Vinci. And so let me let me play this this commercial for you because this is a you know a CPG CEO
408. 1:16:02that made what would have been a six figure commercial in two hours for 100 bucks. And that's another you know when
409. 1:16:09people say 200 bucks a month is ridiculous for whatever for whatever the tool is. Um it's ridiculous unless
410. 1:16:16you're looking at it like this guy just looked at it, right? So again, this is
411. 1:16:31his company, Consumer Packaged Goods. >> At Mudwater, we exist for one reason, to help you achieve your dreams.
412. 1:16:40>> I want to slack line the Grand Canyon. I want to ski Mount Everest naked. [Music] >> I want to start a cult.
413. 1:16:56The cool kind. [Music] >> Whether your dreams are big or small, they all start with the first step, a
414. 1:17:07ritual, a choice you make every morning. Mud water combines a small dose of caffeine and a large dose of functional
415. 1:17:15mushrooms to support your energy, focus, digestion, and vitality without the jitters or crash. It's organic, third
416. 1:17:24party tested, and trusted by over 100,000 daily drinkers. Mudwater. Here to support your morning ritual and wildest dreams,
417. 1:17:34whatever they might be. Try Mudwater today. [Music] Right. So, I guarantee you those product shots he probably had from, you know,
418. 1:17:46previous photo shoots and then, you know, all the script, all the old people, all those really expensive
419. 1:17:54flying shots, those are all free, you know, five bucks. So again, the the this the skill increasingly the skill increasingly
420. 1:18:10is, you know, follow Rick McCauy or go go, you know, to his school where he's a he teaches, you know, in the in the creative arts
421. 1:18:21program there. The skill increasingly is you being the producer, you having the idea, you knowing what is the chain of craft
422. 1:18:35roughly you need to do to pull it off. Do do you have enough tools that are capable enough or that you're good enough to use
423. 1:18:45so that you can take that idea and imagine, okay, I'm gonna go here. I'm gonna do this. Like when I heard the the
424. 1:18:51video thing today, there were a couple of things in it I didn't like, but they weren't enough that I wanted to edit
425. 1:18:56them, but I did want it to be my voice. So, I was like, "Ah, okay. I can do this. I can make it my voice. I can do
426. 1:19:01this thing. I generally know I'm going to go to 11 Labs. I'm I know how I'm going to do it. I'm going to go to
427. 1:19:07QuickTime. I know how I'm going to do it." Like, that becomes the skill from a tactical standpoint. Knowing which tools to deploy when
428. 1:19:18is the important thing. And then you are Rick Rubin. You're the one with taste, right? He's the one as CEO. He's seen enough of
429. 1:19:29these commercials to know what timing he needed, what he wanted wanted the script to be. We're we're in crazy times, my friends.
430. 1:19:40Crazy times. It's cress. It's crassa I tell you crassa cresa adapt adaptability number one rule of fight club tabs. Oh
431. 1:19:52yeah let me go back to tabs in case I want to share other things. I think I might be done sharing uh Tik Tok question. Kyle Ashue,
432. 1:20:11why does it feel like cheating to ask AI but not to ask Google? Ah, that's a great question. Um, I I heard this term the other day and I
433. 1:20:26can't remember what the term is. We we have a bias that I think was established at the turn of the n the
434. 1:20:38turn of the going into the 20th century when we went into the industrial revolution and we started doing things like punching time clocks.
435. 1:20:53what we've been trained over I don't know what is that six or seven generations from like the late 1800s until now. Seven Seven generations.
436. 1:21:06What we've been taught is that time equals money and therefore time equals value. And so when you do a Google search, not
437. 1:21:20the new not the new fancy ones that do the AI stuff, but the old the olden timey Google search where they gave you a page of links.
438. 1:21:31You still had to do the work. You could quickly get 27 different nonprofits about clean water, but it was
439. 1:21:43on you to have to click on them and go read the websites and then take notes and copy and paste things and do this
440. 1:21:48and put it in the report and right. Well, now you turn on web search or deep research and 03 and you go, "Go find me
441. 1:22:03the latest reports on clean water in these four countries. You're off doing whatever you're doing. It gets done. Here you go. Full-on
442. 1:22:16report." So, I think that there's I think the guilt is is a guilt of perceived value. It feels like cheating. What I would argue is that
443. 1:22:32yeah, but you know how to do that. There's a lot of people right now that don't know how to do that. And the whole point that I was just
444. 1:22:45making about about chain of craft is that I don't think this is any longer about single tools. I think you need to
445. 1:22:53understand single tools and what they make possible, but I think this is increasingly about multiple tools being deployed to a
446. 1:23:04problem. And it's going to be us that determine what problems we want solved. And as as as agentic AI gets better and
447. 1:23:13better and better, we may not have to have the kind of knowledge that I'm talking about. But right now, while agents kind of suck,
448. 1:23:22it is a real superpower to be able to use these tools. So, first of all, I would like a thing that I would strongly
449. 1:23:31encourage all of you to do is if you're feeling guilt about using AI, if it's feeling like cheating, if it's feeling
450. 1:23:38like you're not doing the real work, I would look long and hard at where's the value. Let me let me give
451. 1:23:46you an example. Ethan Malik is a is a a professor at the Wharton School of Business and he talked about it like this. He said
452. 1:23:56a student comes into into his office hours and the student says, "Mr. Malik, will you write me a letter of recommendation?"
453. 1:24:05And historically, that letter of recommendation would have taken him an hour or two. And then the student would then send
454. 1:24:13that out and people would read, "Ethan Malik likes this kid. Let's give it give him a shot. Let's give her a shot."
455. 1:24:23And now the kid comes into his office and he can knock out that letter of recommendation in two minutes.
456. 1:24:31And his question was, where's the value there? Is the value in me taking two hours or is in the is the value in
457. 1:24:40getting the kid the appointment? If you get the kid the appointment, does does it does it make that letter less
458. 1:24:50valuable if Ethan didn't pen it himself over an hour and a half? I don't think so. Now, if you're in the creative arts and
459. 1:25:02you say, "No, no, no, but Kyle, you don't understand. I love painting. And if if I use AI to make a painting
460. 1:25:10image, then I lose my joy in painting. What I would say to that person is then don't stop painting. Keep painting. If
461. 1:25:19if for you the joy, the value is in the process, then keep doing that process. But if the value is in any way in the
462. 1:25:29output or some combination of outputs and it doesn't matter how you got there, then don't [ __ ] feel bad about it. If
463. 1:25:37it took you two minutes, it took you two minutes. That's my thing. Humans want to own the story of the
464. 1:25:50journey of our path, human destiny, not AI to give them the solution. We live to tell the story. Yeah. But but I would argue Rick that that
465. 1:26:02AI's like in the whole reason I came up with this this idea of chain of thought and or chain of craft and and like I
466. 1:26:11don't think it's my idea. I don't I I think I think any creative expression always goes through some level of chain
467. 1:26:18of craft. But but what I was finding was that that chain of craft was being diminished if you used AI tools that
468. 1:26:25people would just say, "Oh, you just pushed a button and there was no craft there." No, there is craft there. Even
469. 1:26:31if all I did was press buttons, knowing which buttons to press, knowing how many times to press them, knowing
470. 1:26:38which things to curate, to put together to tell a story, that is the chain of craft. That's me as a producer taking outputs.
471. 1:26:47Like if I'm a music producer, I could take outputs from individual musicians if I had the skills. I could put them into a digital audio
472. 1:26:59recorder if I had the skills. I could put all those things together. I could tweak the knobs until it sounds
473. 1:27:06like what I want it to sound like and go, "Here's a song." I can also say I need a song that gives me this emotional
474. 1:27:12feel that talks about these things with these words and put it into sunno and that comes out. If all I need is a song
475. 1:27:20that's got that feel with those words, I can do it either way. Both of those require some level of craft, some level of production.
476. 1:27:31It's a shortcut to a solution you don't feel like you own. I completely disagree with that. I absolutely think I own the stuff that
477. 1:27:41I that I put together with AI. This the stuff that I give a [ __ ] about. Cuz it's like that [ __ ] didn't make itself
478. 1:27:52of the of the 45 songs we made when we were when when we stumbled onto Weird Mary. The one that I chose I chose because
479. 1:28:04that resonated with me as a human. like I didn't write the song, but it's it's something that spoke to me. So,
480. 1:28:18the counterargument is, do you feel you made the song as much? Well, you know what, Rick? I I'll tell you what. I like the song well enough
481. 1:28:32that I taught it to myself on guitar. [Music] [Applause] [Music]
482. 1:28:49See the hill is a quiet town where the oak trees sway. Whistle of the train train echo through the day. People greet you with a knot.
483. 1:29:06Nothing ever seems to change. Each unique and strange. Um, so yeah, that feels like my song. Brandon's kid who Brandon made a song
484. 1:29:23for him. His kid came up. He said, "I want to make a song about whatever it is, right?" And they and together they
485. 1:29:29sat down and he made a song. his kid. It's like that's my song. That's my song. Going faster skips the cost of getting there. But but
486. 1:29:44Rick, what you're missing is, okay, again, I go back to if the value to you personally is in the journey of writing a song,
487. 1:29:57then that's what you should do. But if the value is in the song itself, if you just need a song, I need a song to serve this purpose.
488. 1:30:08I can still make it and I can still make it quickly. Like is it is it a different experience? Yeah, it might be a different experience. But
489. 1:30:19here's here's the difference I would argue to you is that in the time I can write a song manually, I could write an album with AI.
490. 1:30:31And if I have a concept for an album and I put those like like I have all these different song ideas and I put them in
491. 1:30:41and I curate them out and I figure out which ones I want and I figure out what order to put them in and I do the artwork for the cover.
492. 1:30:49That's every bit as much creating something as me writing the song. And then you can make one of two arguments. Either I enjoy that process
493. 1:31:00of making the album or I don't. If I don't, then I shouldn't be doing it. But I can tell you that
494. 1:31:15like I'm just I'm trying to imagine this. I'm trying to sort of play this out in my mind. I just think it's a different
495. 1:31:23instrument. The guitar and me writing lyrics manually is like my brain, my words, my chord knowledge and my
496. 1:31:33strumming. That's some set of tools that I deploy to write a song. I can take my brain, my knowledge of um
497. 1:31:43producer AI does this with songs, UDO does this, Sunno does this. I can do my lyrics over here in these three
498. 1:31:49different models in chat GPT and get them close and then I can go edit them over here or I can just let Sunno give
499. 1:31:56it a shot and see if I like the song at all. Th those are just tools that those are for me those those are skills that
500. 1:32:04are no different or no better or worse than learning chords on a guitar. They're just different tools.
501. 1:32:13They're just different instruments. I'm still the conductor. Right. So So I just I just disagree with you on it.
502. 1:32:25Guitar then is the reclaiming of full human authorship. I'm giving my songs to all humans to take all AI out of the final maybe.
503. 1:32:40But you have less suffering and less investment. Okay. The less suffering piece, Rick. You maybe this because you
504. 1:32:47just got out of the hospital. You do not have to [ __ ] suffer for art. Like of anyone, you should know this.
505. 1:32:55You don't think I can be You don't think I can be neurotic and insecure when I'm making things with AI? I absolutely can. I don't often
506. 1:33:11because sometimes I get really excited about it, but I I just it's it's just a different tool of expression.
507. 1:33:21It's it's again I go back to um was it Rick Rubin? Yeah, Rick Rubin. Rick Rubin was talking about you you know
508. 1:33:31there was a time where to be considered a musician you went to Giuliard and you learned classical pieces and you
509. 1:33:39joined a symphony and then you worked your way up to larger and larger symphonies. And if you wanted to be a
510. 1:33:44real musician, you were in a symphony and it took you decades. Unless you were a prodigy and then it took you a decade
511. 1:33:54and you knew everything. You knew all the classics. You knew all the theory. You could improvise. You didn't have to.
512. 1:33:59You could make fun of people that played jazz, but you had a respect for them because it was just a different kind of knowledge.
513. 1:34:05And then along came punk rock and and you just needed an electric guitar and and two power cords or three power
514. 1:34:20cords and you could start a band. And what those classical musicians would argue is, well, that's not real [ __ ]
515. 1:34:31music. You don't really you don't get any joy out of making music with three chords. Have you ever seen a punk band? They
516. 1:34:39seem to have a pretty good [ __ ] time. Your argument is as if you are Stephen Spielberg and a 100,000 other people are involved
517. 1:34:55in your film. You own the film. I don't think he owns the film, but what Stephen Spielberg owns is the vision for
518. 1:35:06the film. And that I would say he does own. Those 100,000 people are working at the service of his vision.
519. 1:35:17And that's what I would argue is our new job. Our new job is to have the vision. Our new job is to say, "What tools do I need
520. 1:35:27to bring together to bring this to life? As the holder of the vision, Rick, you could say, "I'm only going to use real
521. 1:35:34musicians for the music piece of this, but I'm going to use AI tools for the special effects because I don't have a
522. 1:35:42$20 million budget." Okay, that's a choice. You know, by your argument, you would say, well, you you're not really doing
523. 1:35:52creative special effects because the people didn't suffer or go through the pain of making those special effects
524. 1:35:59frame by frame. You just prompted it. But if it serves your vision, it's not better or worse. It's just different is my point.
525. 1:36:13Read the next line. AI gives you the ability to have 100,000 people and a $10 million budget in your pocket. Yeah, I agree with that. But
526. 1:36:22it's but is are you saying that that's not a that's not a value then? I just think it's different. Like here here's what I would argue.
527. 1:36:33You can absolutely argue that the Mudwater CEO took the jobs from 20 agency people and a bunch of photographers
528. 1:36:45and lighting people and actors. Or you could say the Mudwater CEO is going to make, you know, a hundred videos where he may may have
529. 1:36:57only made one before and and just that's going to happen in general. There's just going to be a proliferation of content
530. 1:37:03everywhere. And it's not all going to suck. Some of it's going to be good. Most of it's going to suck. He's
531. 1:37:09agreeing with you. Hydrate. You're starting to sound like Sam Alman. [Laughter] Oh, we are Spielberg. But you lost me on
532. 1:37:19the you don't feel the suffering. Unless you were being smmy about the suffering piece. I get it. I I often find myself arguing
533. 1:37:31people arguing with people that agree with me. I think it's something about called not listening. Oh man.
534. 1:37:44Uh no, I don't want to touch on Z.AI. If you guys want to go check out there's a new Chinese chat GPT called Z.AI that's
535. 1:37:51supposed to be really good. Um anyway, Rick. Yeah, I know. I figure you and I are on the on the way. Wait, no, I'm
536. 1:37:57saying we become the director more and better because of AI. Okay, got it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like like
537. 1:38:06we don't have to like right now because the AI tools are so janky, we have to be very skilled at how we navigate which tool to make it not
538. 1:38:20shitty, right? There's a skill in backfilling for the jankiness of AI. Three years from now, it's it's done.
539. 1:38:33You you'll just make what you want to make and you won't need to backfill for it. And in that world, what is your skill?
540. 1:38:42Your skill is have the idea and hold the space for the idea and keep generating [ __ ] until you get what you want and
541. 1:38:49then put it in the world. Tik Tok pin. Netflix took the jobs of Blockbuster employees. I'm not mad about it. Exactly.
542. 1:39:00AI is going to absolutely take jobs. Netflix just said, "We use special effects in this movie you all just
543. 1:39:06watched. They took jobs." And you know what they did? They gave jobs to whoever the [ __ ] prompted those AIs. Someone got a job.
544. 1:39:17Um, what are some AI recommendations platforms for beginners who have basic knowledge and are broke? Okay, I'm
545. 1:39:27going to show you something, but I also want you to go to the AI salon and become a member of it. Um, I have it in here, right, Brandon?
546. 1:39:40It's in irregulars, that slide. I think it is. Oh, I know where I've got it. Hang on.
547. 1:40:01[Music] Okay. So, who who was it that asked there? I am. I'm intimidated by the salon. Don't be intimidated by the salon, Amy.
548. 1:40:12Um, okay. take a screenshot of this. If if you're talking about um creative tools, image, video, voice,
549. 1:40:23songs, all that sort of stuff. Oh, wait. Hang on. You can't screenshot it because my big fat head's in the way on Tik Tok.
550. 1:40:32Wait, are you just on Tik Tok? Well, if you go to the AI salon, go to um the Irregulars channel and this slides in there.
551. 1:40:43All right, you can still see that in the upper right hand corner. Okay, screenshot that. And the only
552. 1:40:55the only tools on here that are not that don't have some level of freess is MidJourney and Lumal Labs. Um, all of the rest of them have at
553. 1:41:07least some free level to make [ __ ] with. Okay. Um, these are this is not anywhere close to a comprehensive list. Um,
554. 1:41:22but all of these won't won't waste your time. These are all really good tools. So, so this is a place to start. It also
555. 1:41:29depends a lot, Amy, on when you say where do I start? Where do you start for what do do you want to start doing
556. 1:41:36creative work? Do you want to start doing programming? Do you want to start doing writing? like if anything that's
557. 1:41:42that's kind of word processing and images um just chat GPT if you can if you can hack the 20 buck a month
558. 1:41:50subscription I personally think 20 bucks a month for chat GPT is the best deal in kind of the history of software
559. 1:41:59like what it can do and but even the free version of chat GPT is staggeringly powerful
560. 1:42:16All right. How do we deal with AI idea envy? Even if the ideas are cheap by nature, the the way you deal with that issue is it's
561. 1:42:30a great question. someone else comes up with an idea and you're like, "Oh, that's so good." Well, one is we live in a world where people
562. 1:42:38are not shy about stealing other people's ideas. Um, so if you want to be inspired by something, be inspired by something, but
563. 1:42:48then take it and go, "Okay, cool. I see." Um, if you if you want to be inspired by something, go see what they
564. 1:42:58did. Like you can take any image, go into chatgpt and say make me another image inspired by this one and it will
565. 1:43:07or you could say describe this image and then take that into midjourney and use that as a starting point to do something else. Um
566. 1:43:15the other thing is don't get too precious about your ideas. Like ideas are a dime a dozen. Like I've got an
567. 1:43:22idea for a musical. I've spent the last year and a half writing it and working on it and tweaking it and this and that.
568. 1:43:28Am I worried that someone might steal that idea? Maybe. Do you know how hard it is to write a musical that doesn't
569. 1:43:34suck and then get it produced? Like most ideas are really hard to actually execute. So I would say just, you know,
570. 1:43:42be less precious about the ideas and more precious about execution. Just go build build. Um Rick Maui, what's happening? Oh, you're muted.
571. 1:43:58I can't hear you, Rick. [Music] You're not muted here, so it's on your end.
572. 1:44:17Hey, Rec producer Brandon here. Uh you may want to check your audio stream settings uh in the streamard by clicking
573. 1:44:23the toggle next to the microphone and making sure that you have your microphone selected. Good to see you.
574. 1:44:32Testing one, two, three. Is that it? >> That's it. What's happening, man? >> Okay. Hey, man. I totally agree with
575. 1:44:38everything you just said. I was just pointing out that I feel sometimes if I make a piece of music and it doesn't
576. 1:44:44cause me any suffering, the long-term idea was you had to suffer to make art like you said. Right. >> Right.
577. 1:44:51>> So, I feel like I cheated it the and I got a result that I don't fully own. >> So, I'm actually making 150 pieces of
578. 1:44:58music. I'm going to copyright them by proving 85% came from my human capital investment. Right? Then I'm going to
579. 1:45:04gift it to the world and I'm going to say any artist who can make a recording of this and start to get traction, I
580. 1:45:10will give 60% of the ownership of that copyright for eternity for that piece of music. So I'm extracting all of the AI
581. 1:45:18that is basically the performance although I've cloned my voice on many of the songs. >> So that's the first point. And the
582. 1:45:25second point is I think we are becoming Stephen Spielberg's with the power of AI allowing us to do what Spielberg does.
583. 1:45:32And you would never deny him best directors Oscar. Right. >> Right. >> But we all have the potential and it's
584. 1:45:41only limited by our imagination and our effort. >> Yeah. >> And our genius that's like a Steven Spielberg once in a billionyear genius
585. 1:45:51level human. >> Yeah. >> To put to work the AI for their benefit. So you and I, Shannon, are producing
586. 1:45:57objects that exist only because we, the human, drove them there, >> right? >> So it's a car in your in your driveway.
587. 1:46:05But some people are really good at being Mario and Drey driving that car and some people are creating AI saw. >> Yeah. Yeah.
588. 1:46:12>> And so we agree on everything else and I think we agree on all of this. Yeah, I think it I get I get the music thing,
589. 1:46:20but I I would argue, Rick, that there are songs that I've created with my guitar that I've completely forgotten
590. 1:46:26that that didn't stick. And there there are songs that I've created with AI. Like there are some things that are just
591. 1:46:31brain farts that feel good in the moment and then are gone. >> Right. Right. >> And like I've done that with analog
592. 1:46:37songs. every song I write today, all 100 of them that I would have not been able to get to production level quality to
593. 1:46:45even show someone because I don't have the money to pay for a $1,000 studio session. Yeah. >> And I don't have the skill sets to sing
594. 1:46:53it to the way this does. >> Yeah. >> So, what I'm doing is I'm taking the AI out at the end, but everything is written on 65 years of life.
595. 1:47:01>> Yeah. >> Every first kiss >> and every time I held the hand of somebody dying, that built what made me
596. 1:47:07who I am. the same way Spielen Spielberg did all his stuff based upon his entire life's experience. He's making the same
597. 1:47:14film over and over again. >> So artists to me are people that have have become so human that they have something to say that every human
598. 1:47:22relates to and that's you and that's me. >> Yeah. Those are the people we should should be adapting and doing whatever
599. 1:47:30crazy [ __ ] they got to do for the rest of their life to get to the point that someone finally hears the genius that
600. 1:47:35was locked inside prevented to get there because I couldn't hire the people to do it. >> Right. Yeah. >> Now there's no limit.
601. 1:47:42>> Yeah. Exactly. Well, and that's >> so it's a new measure of what is art is that who can produce something so
602. 1:47:49resonant in every soul that they become Stephen Spielberg. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then what happens is the
603. 1:47:55tool you use to create it is irrelevant, right? >> Yes. >> It becomes the rocket ship in your driveway. Your destination and how you
604. 1:48:04get there is fueled by you. >> Yeah. Exactly. That's it. >> So if we're all the director of the destination, everybody's got a rocket
605. 1:48:10ship in their in their pocket, which they do right now. The extension of the humanity, the final grasp is all your
606. 1:48:17humanity summed up into what are you going to do and what which choice are you going to grab? That's the Rick Rubin part. >> Y
607. 1:48:24>> So now you can take your genius and you've got a rocket ship and then now you know how to get to any planet in the world. >> Yeah.
608. 1:48:30>> And directing it and then when you get there, you own the Oscar. That's my point. >> Yeah. Love it. All right. Good. >> Okay.
609. 1:48:37>> So, we agree. Thank you so much for having me on. >> Yeah, man. >> Anytime you want, I'm I'm up for it. But
610. 1:48:42but yeah, we totally agree. I just wanted to make sure it was clear what I was saying because it's >> Oh, yeah. I totally missed I totally
611. 1:48:48missed the point, but I got it. A and the whole point of my life now is every time I make a post, Sh uh Kyle, I always
612. 1:48:54add value first. I respect the person and I'm going to own the respect to you. And that's why I want you to know that
613. 1:49:02you're so important because if all of us added value to say, thank you for inspiring me to write this post.
614. 1:49:10>> And then you go and you make a new post and you quote Kyle Shannon as being the origin of that. If we all did that,
615. 1:49:16social media becomes an agent for amplifying the positive and we get rid of the [ __ ] >> and all those flame wars get, you know.
616. 1:49:23So that's my anyway, that's my philosophy. Two bits and thank you for your time. Appreciate your show. >> Peace out. Good to see you, man.
617. 1:49:31>> All right, everybody. So listen, tomorrow night, um, AI Salon, wait, there's Tik Tok pin from Tams. Steal
618. 1:49:38like an artist is one of the best books I've ever read, and it speaks to even this. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Yeah, listen
619. 1:49:47the there there there are what nine stories. Every story is some rehash of the nine the nine stories. You know,
620. 1:49:55everyone copies from someone. Every everyone's inspired. You know, good artists what is it? Good artists
621. 1:50:02plagiarize, great artists steal, right? But it but it's not even that. Like the the thing that I want to the the thing that I am
622. 1:50:13actively trying to fight against is that the comment that was made earlier, it feels like cheating. It feels like cheating. It's not
623. 1:50:27cheating. It's a different tool. You know, if if you used to have to walk across America, I would imagine that getting in a train
624. 1:50:40felt like cheating, right? This is cheating for our brain, right? This this is the steam engine for our brain
625. 1:50:51is what AI is. And so, yeah, is it not like we did it before? No, it's not. Is it have have we associated for seven or
626. 1:51:01eight generations time to value? Yes, we have. And so our parents told you put in the time. Take the time. You got to put
627. 1:51:11in the time or it's not worth [ __ ] And now all of a sudden you can just do it. So you go, oh [ __ ] it's not worth [ __ ]
628. 1:51:17because I didn't put in the time. That's from the robber barons of the late 1800s. [Laughter] You don't work for them. You don't work
629. 1:51:30for them anymore. [ __ ] them. You can do your two hours worth of work in five minutes. And and you can represent that this Yes, this is
630. 1:51:40as good as what I would have done and you turn in that work. Who gives a [ __ ] how long it took you? Damn it. All right. So, tomorrow night
631. 1:51:50we have AI Salon. AI salon presents. We've got Mike Lavine, who's the CEO of Movie Flow, which if you know LTX
632. 1:52:02Studio, it's very much like that, but it's a bit more sophisticated. Um, and he's a really smart guy with a really
633. 1:52:08impressive background. So, tomorrow night, um, go to, uh, the the salon.ai or go to the, you know, the AI salon
634. 1:52:17community site, community.the the salon.ai. Um, look at events. And tomorrow night is the um is is AI salon
635. 1:52:27presents. Okay. And that means we're going to be late for this. So, tomorrow night this show will start 8:30 or 9.
636. 1:52:34I'll try to do 8:30, but it depends on how much energy I got for you people. All right. It will take a generation. It might take two.
637. 1:52:45Yeah. It took us, look, it took us, it took us seven generations to just accept, you know, we go in, we put in our hours,
638. 1:52:52we do our thing. Our job is to be a cog in the wheel. Even though our work is completely mind-numbing and soul
639. 1:53:00crushing, we're going to call that fulfilling work because it's tied to some larger cause. Well, we now get to we're now entering a
640. 1:53:11different era where think of it like every person is going to have a hundred or a thousand person equivalent set of employees that work
641. 1:53:24for them. Every single person that taps into this AI [ __ ] will have an organization's worth of PhD level
642. 1:53:37people that will do anything they want them to do. Anything you task them to do, they'll go off and do it at a
643. 1:53:45worldclass level. If you had a hundred employees that were world class at anything you wanted them to do, what would you do?
644. 1:53:54If you haven't asked yourself that question, start asking yourself that question. Start having a point of view.
645. 1:54:00Start wondering what difference you want to make in the world. Rather than just worrying about the AI is going to take our jobs, well, what
646. 1:54:09about the AI is going to give you a [ __ ] company with a thousand people in it? Do you ever think about that?
647. 1:54:16No. Ain't never been an entrepreneur. I'll tell you what, it's a lot easier with a thousand people that don't suck
648. 1:54:24and work 247 and know what the [ __ ] they're doing than, you know, you hired Mary because she knew someone who knew someone and
649. 1:54:34you realized when she got there she's clueless. Now you got to work with her for three months because you don't want to ruin
650. 1:54:42that relationship. [Laughter] All right. This is this was a good combination of meltdowns, arguments with someone who agreed with me, you
651. 1:54:57know. It was good. It was good. Solid chat add night. We got a little bit of demo in there. All right, everyone. I'm
652. 1:55:05out of here. Um, hope you have a good time and I hope you see you tomorrow at the salon. All right, bye. [Music]