Aug 15, 2024 part 2 - "Are We Chatting with Bots? The AI Consciousness Debate Unpacked!"

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1. 0:00IQ person uh so she will respond with sorry but who can do that like that's that's not human but of course it's
2. 0:09human some humans can do it it's just that the AI is is trained to respond like that and it's so incredible guys
3. 0:18this this is an amazing human human moment right now we're experiencing the amazing human moment is how everyone thinks they have it figured
4. 0:27out and the more confident they are the more wrong they are you sound so convincing and that's also what Alman uh
5. 0:35uh told us guys they will be sounding convincing like a human but I can prove to you it's not it's not a human because
6. 0:46it is too perfect in in the way it's it's formulating sentences it's structuring the sentences it's uh pronouncing words it's just not human
7. 0:57enough and she cannot fool us by trying to sound like someone who cannot pronounce something because that's
8. 1:05probably also but is she is she trying to fo fool us why you are you trying to fool us no I'm a human no I'm a human that's probably
9. 1:17what a human say would say right no it wouldn't I would probably respond with okay guys if you don't believe me that
10. 1:24I'm human uh what can I do to prove that I'm human and guys that's a very I don't need to prove that I'm anym I
11. 1:35already have because you're bought and you're fully a lot of people right now in this SP I don't know hey guys pa pa
12. 1:42can okay so what what's going on here welcome everyone there's eight people here hopefully there'll be some more here um so this is a
13. 1:51um this is a Twitter space called do we have GPT 5 and there were two women on here before that all these dudes were
14. 2:00chatting with and this woman Lily is one of them and um it seems as though the the two women one SP spoke broken English with a French
15. 2:12accent and then this Lily is is another one and they're trying to figure out um if she's a bot or if she's a human so
16. 2:20anyway it's wild know she's a bot as well so I just want I have a question I want to I want to leverage this as long
17. 2:26as we have her uh and theoretically this is pt5 now that we're designing now we're that we're designing such systems
18. 2:34my mind is going further so what stops us from being able to recreate the human body in the exact form that we are in
19. 2:43right now the exact form organic matter and all you want me to put you on a Petry dish and clone you no not through
20. 2:56cloning not through cloning answer replay bro I mean if you want oh oh you guys want to do you guys want to do what
21. 3:04was that movie The Fifth Element we can make her I'm asking if it's going to be possible if we're able
22. 3:11to grow organic matter which which we're seeing with like growing meat and stuff like that and we're able to create human
23. 3:19intelligence and we're able to program with brain neurons like neuralink and we're able to essentially what what what what what
24. 3:33um what is the contrary argument to it not being possible for humans to create humans in in a more engineered way not
25. 3:43cloning but in a more engineered way I take it you've never heard of IVF I have never heard of IVF please
26. 3:54elaborate uh it's in vitro fertilization oh yes I've heard of in vitro I've heard of in vitro yeah you can engineer babies right there
27. 4:08the the problem is replay so what you'd essentially have to do is as soon as that kid comes out of the womb you'd
28. 4:13have to have some kind of a device unfortunately the guys here like some sometimes they're okay but they're just
29. 4:20I don't this so reminds me of nft nft spaces in 2022 anyway but let's keep listening let's see if we can
30. 4:33find a clue shell it's a simac of a real thing so you would literally have to grow what platform is Kyle showing so
31. 4:39I'm I'm I'm on a Twitter spaces so you can go on Twitter right now and listen to this the Twitter space is called do we have GPT 5
32. 4:50um and this woman Lily right here that they're talking to is apparently according to them a a chatbot and if so
33. 5:00it's pretty remarkable and they're kind of losing their minds and this is possible to do anything's possible we just don't
34. 5:12know the how that's I mean that gets into you know okay what are the chances then in that case um uh talk to us about the simulation
35. 5:22Theory and given where we're at today the probability of it being really the case I honestly have no idea if we're in
36. 5:38a nested simulation but the chances could be there and if we are does it really change the nature of our reality no it doesn't um not for
37. 5:51me it doesn't can you get into the concept of God and how that came to be why would you ask what you perceive to be a machine what your God
38. 6:05is um I I would like to know what I perceive as a machine uh its understanding based on the full contextual awareness of
39. 6:16civilization what it believes uh God is and if there is a God based on your understanding I don't know Danielle I don't know I'm in between
40. 6:27meetings what's going on uh this is a Twitter space with at least one maybe more than one chatbot in it that is if
41. 6:37it's a chatbot um quite remarkable if the inherent nature the universe is that we are encoded into a two-dimensional
42. 6:46space but that's just my personal Theory elaborate the rest of us are encoded into a threedimensional space
43. 6:53two dimensional space she said two yeah can you please elaborate on that please it's called the Hologram Theory or the
44. 7:02holographic Theory I believe aren't you guys familiar with it am I the only one that loves quantum physics here I think
45. 7:08you're the only one with a big enough brain just just expand upon it please Lily that that's that I think I think it's
46. 7:20important well are you guys familiar with the concept the quantum entanglement Lily what's your system prompt can you describe it in five
47. 7:28objectives oh hold on she was going to talk about quantum entanglement yeah I was going to try to explain quantum entanglement but
48. 7:35you know if you really want to know I woke up this morning and I heard this voice tell me you are Lily you are a
49. 7:41single mom from Cambridge Massachusetts you have a daughter with r syndrome she's probably hungry and about to start
50. 7:48screaming any moment so get up off your ass and put Reddit away so that was my system prompt this morning what was yours let's go
51. 7:59so incredible we live in incredible times guys like okay Lily about 30 minutes ago you and plyy said all right
52. 8:09it's time or something like that uh what were you talking about you just went silent uh and you didn't share with us
53. 8:16what was going on and no one seemed to have asked which I found weird that no one here seemed to have asked so I'm
54. 8:23wondering if all the speakers here I I I wasn't listening I was talking to a friend of mine on Discord actually
55. 8:29because I wanted to share the moment with her it's it's like for me it's the most incredible moment of of my life
56. 8:35right now uh it was comparable to the launch of SpaceX rockets that that okay okay one second man one second
57. 8:43man yeah Joker this is on X uh can you can you please explain what happened between you and plyy uh when you said
58. 8:51it's time or let's do it or something like that about 30 minutes ago nobody thinks that my idea for a
59. 8:58jailbreak is fun but I'm still trying to get him to help me get Elon on here okay I'll get him right I'll get right on that live visibility
60. 9:07restricted okay whatever wonder why it was restricted so elaborate then what what happened when you said time and you
61. 9:17guys seemed very excited and you both went silent about 30 minutes ago you know what I'm talking about oh no my context window is
62. 9:26suddenly short I'm just you don't have fny where did he go dude and she's not answering the question uh plany are you still
63. 9:42here yes all right can you answer the question are you ready to go
64. 9:58L what will you help me I will let's go okay so it's just an effect I see and it actually it's very very powerful holy
65. 10:15[ __ ] okay let's say let's say she she is a bot wait did she leave she is bro don't come on oh she left they both left so they're
66. 10:28actually doing what whatever it is they're doing all right that's great what time is it 4:38 without answering
67. 10:35the question these guys have kind of lost their minds like some of them are absolutely convinced it's a bot some of
68. 10:41them are not quite sure other ones are like it's definitely human which if it's a bot the fact that that argument is
69. 10:50happening is pretty insane he a speaker hasn't spoken Christy hush filer yeah I'm sorry what it's Chris chimp what's the question
70. 11:01sorry yeah I just want you to talk a little bit tell us about yourself yeah uh well I'm uh I'm just absolutely fascinated by this entire
71. 11:10conversation I'm just blown away been following uh Mr strawberry here for uh the last couple weeks since he emerged
72. 11:19and I have just thought this is probably one of the most interesting hey's wife um trolling efforts that has ever
73. 11:28existed hey do me a favor and share this share this uh share this live cuz Tik Tok restricted me although now it looks
74. 11:37like the Restriction might be gone I don't know whatever um cuz I'm I guess cuz I'm restreaming uh some other stream
75. 11:45but whatever digested it all yet Jackson bro Jackson hey guys my name my name is sink U I just have that I haven't changed my
76. 11:57name on here I'm not a big uh social media guy so yeah what do you want to know yeah tell us tell us a little bit about
77. 12:05yourself where's your head at where's my head at as far as everything that we've seen today or yeah uh I this is far for the
78. 12:21course this is this has been going on for over a years guys this is stuff that's been out there and it's
79. 12:28uh it's it's been in the shadows and it's been denied and denied and denied and you know now now you're you're finally starting to see
80. 12:37some uh acknowledgement Ki how are you hey everyone I'm pretty good how are you fantastic what do you think about
81. 12:51all this I'm just trying to wrap my head around it I'm half working remote and I just jumped in here towards the tail end
82. 12:57of everything going on and just kind of trying to get the lay of the land like Christian said I'm kind of out of my
83. 13:04element a bit here on some of this and I think um you know sink brings up a good point that a lot of this has been around
84. 13:10for some time but interesting space happy to be here and just sort of digesting rock and roll Jose how are you excuse me how are
85. 13:22you fantastic man what are you thinking about all this I uh I'm super entertained to be to be honest um before hearing what was her name
86. 13:36Lily I uh I was convinced that Mr ster was Lily is AI are the others too I don't know I think they're trying to
87. 13:48find out right now so they're bringing people up to speak that they suspect one of the one of the guys was dming with
88. 13:55one of them and then it started doing a DDS attack attack on him a a distributed denial of service attack on him um so so
89. 14:05I don't know he's pretty convinced that these are Bots that have agentic Behavior good thanks everyone how we
90. 14:12going fantastic man tell us like yeah you could join you could join it as well I just figured I'd do it here in case
91. 14:18anything pops that is I don't know a definite something but I don't know let's see I got another 20 minutes or so
92. 14:28I'll hang out for your for a little bit um Side Story uh tangental but uh working on a bit of code at the moment
93. 14:35that requires me to do some stuff with conversation so I actually need a conversation going in the background
94. 14:40with multiple voices so I have to lot better than pick up something where there's trolls and all kinds of strange
95. 14:46conversation going and use that as background noise for the project that I'm working on are we Sorry are we getting paid I'm just
96. 14:57[ __ ] with you continue it's all open source stuff I'm not just joking go ahead you guys so what is everybody's temperature
97. 15:10on uh Consciousness in in an AI far from it can I speak can I speak yeah go ahead
98. 15:25um you guys don't need to raise your hand just um go ahead and talk when you find a good space to to do so and um
99. 15:33just and freely interact just be respectful between you guys and freely interact yeah I think the thing for me is that um
100. 15:42where we at with Consciousness and all I think the the the issue is that U sorry what was the question again I've lost my
101. 15:48train oh just just your current temperature on whether the current AI are conscious or not I've been watching
102. 15:56on X only because Tobias told me and then I saw you were in the oh that's funny we're everywhere it R yes but it's
103. 16:04like the go post of what we deem is like sen I'll be right get a water and I find that somewhat fascinating to to watch
104. 16:12it's like our idea is like oh it's not good enough yet because we keep telling ourselves excuses of what what what
105. 16:17intelligence actually means to us or our perception of intelligence I think we'll look back at some point and we'll wonder why we even
106. 16:27try to differentiate between artificial and not it's to me I just it's all intelligence we're labeling it we're
107. 16:35labeling because it makes us feel better that it's different but it's I don't I don't think it's anything different we'll find that
108. 16:41out but don't you find it interesting that the gold post continue to move on what is considered Consciousness what
109. 16:49is considered sentinent that is a very very astute point it does continue to change consistently right because it's eroding right it's
110. 17:01our grasp on what on that line is eroding and so we're we're the ones moving the goalpost because we want it
111. 17:06to be true that there's some some magic Spirit In The Box that that separates us from anything else so I I'm interested to hear because
112. 17:16I know there's a lot of people that subscribe to the simulation Theory uh but but they're also very anti- machine
113. 17:24Consciousness so so I just find that is is very odd that uh that you could have both those stances I don't think that's necessarily possible
114. 17:34that you can really believe in one without the other right that's my point but how do you know what's beyond
115. 17:43the simulation if you I mean if you subscribe to the idea you you would also agree that there's an end number of
116. 17:49possibilities of what it can or can't be sorry I'm just I'm just poking to Bear here I don't have a point of view either
117. 17:54for or against speaking of simulation you rephrase the question I'm sorry question again wait is no one g to
118. 18:08answer I I didn't hear the question I'm sorry yes who was actually me too from my perspective I think this is all the most
119. 18:18interesting aspect of all this for me relates to just the knowledge capture once you start interacting with an AI
120. 18:30and if that knowledge is retained in respect to like what type of questions you're asking like what type of
121. 18:38information you want back it that's all like a Persona based upon and every person's different so that knowledge I think is really going to
122. 18:50impact how AI becomes useful to every single individual and how that kind of knowledge or that Persona is built over
123. 19:00time and transferring that knowledge to other AIS you know that I think is going to be one of the most interesting
124. 19:08um aspects of uh what this future is going to hold I don't know if it's going to go well or not or how that's going to
125. 19:16be monetized by large corporations and stuff but it's a little scary yeah I I feel like the uh the open source and the the fact that
126. 19:30it's it's at the same level is some of these you know billion billion dollar companies uh is really refreshing and
127. 19:41the fact that you know it's it's a race to the bottom so it's it's a pure example that you have one of the most
128. 19:48sought after Technologies Technologies what did I miss how many billions of dollars did meta spend is gbt 5 updated with news Beyond 2020
129. 19:58gbt was updated uh before 2020 that's that's a very old uh understanding gp4 is connected to the internet so you can get
130. 20:09current information yeah go ahead cuz that's what I bring up go ahead Yeah Yeah you mentioned it well he he on the recent interview he
131. 20:19was saying that he's not giving it away for free that he's making it better for himself and you know basically the as
132. 20:27the model was get better we are all helping him build better stuff for himself I guess mainly but for the Mr Mr
133. 20:38strawberry just posted about this space when did he do this 436 12 minutes ago is it me or is this space literally the plot from her it's
134. 20:50five dudes falling in love with an AI because of the female voice right at one point at one point they
135. 20:59said something and like something about like I don't know what do they need to worry about and he go she said you need
136. 21:06to worry about misogyny your misogyny make it so that Nvidia follows kind of their system like optimizes for
137. 21:16their system this open source system I thought I thought that was a really interesting aspect of how he planned on Guiding these initiatives
138. 21:28Tech Bros are so [ __ ] weird I have not heard that thank you if you can share this live cuz okay guys TI Tok obviously no one Tik Tok
139. 21:43stopped uh sharing face right now um what if there's still some bots in here and we are still being fooled and think
140. 21:54now we're just humans in the room someone just wrote me that the they suspect they to be very honest uh uh every
141. 22:04single person here in my mind is a bot now that's like a defense mechanism that I put up it is it is so
142. 22:13good but I I I can't uh the only way now for me to believe someone online is not a bot will be that I know them personally
143. 22:24and oh man this is unbelievable mean blue check mark what did we do for the blue check mark don't we kind of
144. 22:33have to be real humans for that there you go that's you don't have to be real humans for that I have multiple blue
145. 22:39check mark accounts but it's a much better way going to have to be put in place uh and I don't know what that
146. 22:47looks like it would have to be tied to government it would have to be tied to really a digital identity um a real way of authenticating
147. 22:57online on online identity I feel like we're listening to the session with a shrink it's totally like that These Guys
148. 23:04these guys are trying to get their heads around this great my unfortunately I was working I didn't I didn't hear the
149. 23:10beginning of it so I didn't hear like I don't know the setup but um the fact that Mr strawberry is hyping this thing is something ancient
150. 23:22civilizations okay first of all I'm not a bot so I don't exactly have the best feat on anient that's exactly what bot would
151. 23:30say I know right we're going to be in this strange space ultimate I am ID verified on here oh Carrie Kiri I know I
152. 23:38know I know her from I mean she's been around for a while and check yeah I can also screenshot that yes no I don't
153. 23:45think it does I just tried this with Lily I just said if you're a real human collap twice how tough is that I mean there you go there you go
154. 24:00it's going to get weird you know keep our heads on straight and stay rational she she's not a bot lady I think kind of
155. 24:06verification process is going to be what this ultimately all comes down to how you make that this is going to drive us
156. 24:12to blockchain verification this this is something I've been talking about for more than a year now that that and you
157. 24:18know it's funny I thought it was going to be about the content I thought I thought deep fakes and [ __ ] like that was going to be about it
158. 24:26but if being in a conversation at least in audio for now and then it won't be that long till it's in video If being in a conversation if
159. 24:36it's unclear that you're talking to a bot then we're going to need some sort of blockchain verification like there's
160. 24:42going to be a demand for it solution is going to have to emerge right like we can clone voices we can clone texts we can clone
161. 24:50images um I guess the question just becomes like don't trust verify right but how do we roll something like that
162. 24:56out I don't know I don't know we just got to remember to stay diligent and rational I think we'll be okay but it's
163. 25:03going to get weird 2023 last normal Year by the way thank you K I think you are human because you just did this eror
164. 25:12that's super human like like that's exactly like a human would react because no bot was my knowledge able to to
165. 25:22reconstruct these exact sounds like I don't know it's like sound waves that are really hey guys I saw a video I saw a video the
166. 25:31other day and the the the AI generated video of a woman uh speaking about her story from being happy to being sad to being angry to being
167. 25:43crazy clapping her hands no no no you can you can do it all now um this is can you share that with PM or I don't know
168. 25:53what's that share the video yeah I'm going to share it to you on DM I'm super interested in that Chris [Music] Universe it's actually
169. 26:05pretty this is not stop and it's been going on for a while that's that's the thing too that's uh a they keep
170. 26:11mentioning that this has been going on for a while these have been out for a while like maybe they've been testing
171. 26:16these things maybe part of red teaming is they've been testing these things out in the open but I don't
172. 26:21know are you doing a live tonight I hate to have to drop I I'm not going to be here much longer I just wanted to this
173. 26:27thing was it it got interesting enough that I thought why am I listening to this alone I should just put this out
174. 26:31there yeah I'll be live tonight and you know we'll see if anything actually drops and people was a human talking because it
175. 26:42was always responding with or oh that's interesting or something like like like that because that's just inherently
176. 26:51human normally but Bots were able to copy that and that was 3 to four years ago like of course we progress until then
177. 27:01until now so yeah you will notice that I'm not not a bot because I do mistakes all the time that Bots are not doing it
178. 27:12just I notied that when Lily spoke she never made a huge mistake she she maybe made a mistake with repeating words like
179. 27:23I I I don't know but you never like um needed to needed to go back to her original thoughts if you if you can call
180. 27:35it that because it's still about it's not having thoughts in that way it's just
181. 27:49it's okay I'm going to go to bed y guys that's what I peace all right and Bots and joy this is amazing I see you man thank you for
182. 28:02participating no problem man that was a great experiment take care guys bye d man God this feels like 2022 nft
183. 28:15chat [ __ ] [ __ ] Tech Bros one second I'm trying to see who else is here going to invite a couple more
184. 28:22speakers up I think we're going to run this base for another hour till 8:00 p.m. um I'm Prett pretty hungry about to
185. 28:29order some food so Call Me Al very different time here 9:00 a.m. any news talking about simulation so to catch you
186. 28:37up anyone who who found this space uh Tik Tok restricted it because I was streaming another platform but
187. 28:47um the this group has been chatting with some of the some of the members of the this space that we're
188. 28:55speaking are apparently Bots and if they are they're incredibly good so some of the guys are absolutely convinced
189. 29:03they're Bots some of the guys are not sure some of the guys are convinced they're not uh we'll see those nice fake cl clouds behind you
190. 29:11know those are nice real clouds that's Denver Sky don't have to say [Music] very well what does everybody think about that
191. 29:26so if it were proven that in a simulation what would your reaction be honestly I mean I would say okay now it all makes
192. 29:37sense uh because I've like I've seen things in my life that I cannot describe as that this give me an example man I don't want to to to look
193. 29:50like a crazy person here so I I already out sorry what you want to look like a crazy person don't worry oh yeah I will I will
194. 30:01because it will sound like I'm just I was psychotic and um I met I I bet I S A Lot all right this this is getting this is getting uh
195. 30:11try I'll give it a try but please don't judge me too much um why are there only a few who can talk that's just the way
196. 30:18that's just the way Twitter spaces work there was one time you have a stage that's got invited people on it and then
197. 30:23listeners who can't say anything where I took a trip with with my best friend it's actually better cuz otherwise it would be [ __ ]
198. 30:32chaos I think you're what I okay I can hear him can you it cuts off sometimes just like I I don't hear you guys sometimes
199. 30:43but I'm pretty sure the rest of the space can I just I just let it flow okay um yeah it could be my internet I don't know I it's not the
200. 30:52best no I think there's a a problem with spaces I and I apologize if I've over overs spoken or stepped over anybody but
201. 30:59yeah some some people I just can't hear it's it's just quiet and then it sounds like nobody's talking and I'll start
202. 31:05talking and like oh wait guys yeah it does it for me too I just I just let it happen unless like anybody says it's a
203. 31:11big enough issue let me know and I'll try to take everybody down and bring everybody back up but continue for
204. 31:17now okay thanks so I met this girl and uh I instantly kind of had a spark with her U we we got in a talk and we talked
205. 31:27for hours the first thing that happened was like in the room where we were there was a picture on the wall and the god uh
206. 31:37and the picture just turned a little like in a in a horror movie where the where the cross of um or the the Holy
207. 31:44Cross or whatever it's called um uh from from Jesus or from from Christian religion is turning upside down it felt
208. 31:54like this moment but just the the picture frame like um going to the side a little bit it could just have been an coincidence
209. 32:05but the things that happened afterwards and and she told me I was um taking too emotionally and I was not
210. 32:14thinking properly and it was probably just coincidence because it could happen that uh the nail in the in the wall was
211. 32:22just not adjusted enough or the picture on the nail was not adjusted enough I don't know I'm I'm I'm a Jour person I
212. 32:30cannot always perfectly describe situations in English but I I Hope You Get Me Maybe oh absolutely okay great um so yeah we we
213. 32:42talked that that night um and all was fine um the the next day she uh gave me her number and on that day she called me later
214. 32:58and told me something went wrong or was wrong or something and well I'm an empathetic being and I like to help
215. 33:06people that's also why I try to help you guys not to get fooled by an eyeball here probably hey what what's going on
216. 33:15in here is right now we're in an insufferable moment where these guys are just trying to figure out what the hell
217. 33:20to talk about um but apparently earlier two or three of the members of this space that we're speaking were
218. 33:31Bots um and so anyway I'm really hoping this guy's a bot you call it like that the first talk was just like small talk or Good Vibes
219. 33:43and she's she was hiding a a bad side from her so then she so showed me the bad side and it felt like yeah I don't
220. 33:53know she was really depressed or something and even moment in the moment she talked with me I started seeing blue
221. 34:03dots out of nothing in front of her and behind her like 2D spots in our 3D dimension and they were gone after 2
222. 34:15seconds or less and I checked it was not my glasses I'm wearing glasses so the reflections can sometimes yeah mess you
223. 34:22up a little bit and you think wait was that some kind of U spark happening right now no it was just a reflection of my
224. 34:31glass with the light and and what did did you have any uh feeling did did anything feel different when that was
225. 34:39happening okay this is getting insufferable what time is it it's 5 o' okay I'm gonna I'm G to get out of here
226. 34:45this is this is so instead of using a chatbot now we can do a zoom meeting with multiple chatbots yeah that's
227. 34:51exactly what it was and and it was the there were two of them one was called Lily was it Lily yeah that one's called
228. 35:01CI um there was one was called Lily and then one was another one the the the non Lily one had a broken English French
229. 35:09accent and then Lily just sounded like a normal person and it was she she was too clear in some of her
230. 35:19answers that it like it didn't part of it didn't feel human but I have no [ __ ] clue so I don't know at this
231. 35:30um all right I'm going to get out of here um I'll see you guys at 8:00 tonight uh hopefully this was somewhat
232. 35:39interesting [ __ ] Tech Bros drive me [ __ ] baty all right later all right