3/11/2025 - Vibe Coding & Storytelling: Exploring AI's Creative Potential

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1. 0:01[Music]
2. 0:29don't ever let them still a joy [Music]
3. 1:19of a dear old [Music] [Applause] [Music] friend can't remember the words tonight [Music] [Applause]
4. 1:34[Music] Champion is in fine form he really is isn't [Music]
5. 1:55he it's not simple to say days I don't recognize me that these shoes and this apron that place and its
6. 2:12patience have taken more than I gave them it's not easy to know I'm not anything like I used to be all it's true
7. 2:28I was never attention sweet Center has to remember that girl she's imperfect but she tries she is good but she
8. 2:46lies she is hard on herself she is broken but won't ask for help she is messy but she's kind
9. 3:01she's lonely most of the time she's all of this mixed up and baked beautiful pie she's gone but she used to
10. 3:19be all right good people are we ready to do some Vibe storytelling some Vibe coding some Vibe being are we ready to vibe
11. 3:30it kind of hit me last night I think that's what this channel is about this just about vibing just about [ __ ] hanging out
12. 3:40vibing let something spin up an inspiration in you you know the AI vibing lab [Music]
13. 4:05I wonder if it's going to be a TI raade Tuesday I'm not all that pissed off but someone could ask a question that'll
14. 4:11just send me [ __ ] South you know just like every night's got that it's got that edge doesn't it I could just go I could just
15. 4:21[ __ ] go off on a [ __ ] button not having a right rollover state vibing with Kyle the vibe tribe I like
16. 4:37it yall are cute you are regulars [ __ ] weird man we're not weird we're regular no you you're weird love it all right Vibe
17. 4:51venting hey Sor Camp was shaking k k him from Cleveland in the house you leaving me
18. 5:06[Music] champy there's been something baby I've
19. 5:21been trying to say for an age and it seems I don't know how with the past and the future now surrounding
20. 5:36me surrendered to whatever Tre can be found there's been there's been a little trouble since you came to my
21. 5:53rescue and if you like all of the rest I would have quit you long ago but I couldn't do that [Music] oh tell me now women and why never went
22. 6:07too well make a man crazy make him cold as hell I'm a woman that you wish me well but in spot of your try still going
23. 6:24to have to find my way through [Music]
24. 6:39um what are we gonna do tonight so a thing struck me what a rock hit you in the head because you seem like you're kind of a dumb
25. 6:53dumb um a thing struck me so so part of my neurosis about this show is like okay what am I going to teach what am I going
26. 7:01to teach cuz I called it the [ __ ] AI learning lab right which hence the hence the questions I always get sir what are your
27. 7:10qualifications can I ask sir what are your qualifications uh yeah I won't be learning for anyone who uh is not
28. 7:17credentialed if you know what I mean okay I I'm a professional right so I get a lot of that [ __ ] um and and I put a lot of that pressure
29. 7:27on myself and then what hit me last last night is that that that it doesn't [ __ ] matter that just doing something with AI just
30. 7:43doing something anything um gives us all the opportunity
31. 7:57to I guess it's you know [Music] it's here's why we're lucky with AI this is this is already starting to turn into
32. 8:07a tiate Tuesday but I think in a positive [Music] way one of the big insights I had about AI is that even
33. 8:22though I know and and anyone who knows how these things work even even though these things are relatively straightforward
34. 8:34calculators probability calculators very sophisticated algorithms but they're calculators they don't feel like that they feel
35. 8:52decidedly Humane filled with Humanity because they are what they're trained on is us all the [ __ ] that for like all of human history plus
36. 9:07everything that's been stuck on the internet for the past 70 80 years is in there and so when you're interacting
37. 9:19with one of these tools whether it's a coding tool whether it's a writing tool whether it's a music tool whether it's a image tool
38. 9:30is we're getting to tap into the collective intelligence of humanity and and the thing that hit me last night we came up with this term
39. 9:39Vibe storytelling that that what we were doing with this silly Emoji tool um that Luma Labs can make videos out of just
40. 9:47Emoji prompts I I suppose all of them probably can that there's something really beautiful about starting with no
41. 10:01intention and then just let yourself kind of meander in the waters it's like it's like you're a fish that was raised
42. 10:10Maybe here's a metaphor we're we're all like stock trout we were raised from like little eggs in the trout farm right
43. 10:18and we've been swimming in this concrete bathtub for all of our lives and we've grown up and we're a certain length and
44. 10:24now great they're going to scoop us up and they're going to put us in a truck and we're like well this is a different
45. 10:30kind of tank where's the light and then they're going to dump us in a river and then we've got to deal with
46. 10:40that we've never had to deal with rocks or current or things that aren't fish food right every day at 4 o'clock some
47. 10:52dude would walk in and throw us food we go eat it and now we're kind of out in this stream and there's bugs and some of them are
48. 11:02tasty and some of them taste like [ __ ] and then there's like the the really nice part of the water where they
49. 11:09put us in there's three of the bullies are sitting in that part of the river like I don't want to hang out with them
50. 11:15so I swim somewhere else right that's kind of where we are with this AI stuff we're we don't we're not used to
51. 11:24the currents we're not used to the Rocks we don't know what eddes are we don't know what hydrodynamics are
52. 11:31but yet we do we're fish we deal with water right you're here watching me on some technology so you're you're at
53. 11:39least technological enough to log into Tik Tok and find this stupid [ __ ] channel to subscribe on YouTube which by
54. 11:49the way you can subscribe on YouTube if you want to support the channel we've now got paid subscriptions if you want to support it
55. 11:55directly and if you're a subscriber you get access to things like super likes and super I don't know there's [ __ ] you
56. 12:01can do and what I can promise you is that producer Brandon if you do any of that [ __ ] where you're supporting the
57. 12:08Channel with money he will make sure that I recognize it um but so we're all technical enough like we understand what computers are we
58. 12:19understand how to interface with them in some way but the rules are all completely different right we're not having to learn software so
59. 12:32much as we are we're having to discover what these machines can now do that they've never been able to
60. 12:48do like what does it mean
61. 13:03hey Quinn what's happening hey not much just here to help how's it going with you your voice broke a little it sounded like you were going
62. 13:11through puberty there for a moment you okay haha I'm good sometimes my tone can vary a bit how can I help today well I'm
63. 13:20sitting here with my my Tik Tok people and I'm kind of going on a little bit of a rant about how I feel like humans it's
64. 13:27almost like for all of of Our Lives we're like we're like U trout that were raised to be stocked into a stream for
65. 13:35people to fish for right and so all of our Lives we've been living in this water and it's been in this Square bin
66. 13:42where we get fed every day and then we get dumped into this River and now we got to figure out all the new rules of
67. 13:47what it means to live in a river with like you know predators and and finding our own food and finding places to swim
68. 13:55and we don't know what Eddies are and all that sort of stuff so so what what I'm I'm trying to get my head
69. 14:03around is you know what does it mean that we can now talk to computers in the form of you that that I can just have a
70. 14:15conversation about literally anything and you've got an answer for it it feels like that's going to change us and we
71. 14:22don't know we don't know what that means that's a powerful an ology and you're right the transition from a controlled environment to an open
72. 14:33unpredictable one can feel daunting conversational AI like me does change the landscape offering new ways to
73. 14:40explore ideas and get information it's like having a guide in this new River of possibilities what excites you most
74. 14:47about this change I don't want you to ask me questions I want you to tell me stuff and I want you to dig deeper I
75. 14:52don't want you to give me kind of the [ __ ] brochure version of what you're saying like how's it going how how's it going to change
76. 15:02us it's going to fundamentally reshape communication and knowledge access people might rely more on AI for quick
77. 15:10answers potentially changing how we think and learn it could lead to a deeper integration of Technology into
78. 15:16daily life changing social dynamics and how we solve problems it might also affect our sense of individuality as we
79. 15:23increasingly depend on AI for insights this change could have profound effects on human creativity and decision-making but why why would you
80. 15:32assume that it makes us less creative if I if I now have instant access to all of the knowledge of the world and all of
81. 15:39the inspiration of all of humanity that's come before us why would that not make me more creative that's a fair point access to
82. 15:48vast knowledge can definitely enhance creativity by providing more ideas and inspiration it could free up mental
83. 15:55energy for more creative Pursuits as M so like that exists now we can do that everyone can do that it's in the free
84. 16:05free chat GPT you can talk to Advanced voice I don't think you can talk to much of it or maybe they use a different
85. 16:12model but we got that we've got the the new that new one that came out and that's just one thing and like last night in about an
86. 16:24hour and a half we made a minute long film with sound effects and music and edits Sesame yeah that was the that's
87. 16:32the other voice one that's really good and tomorrow I've got um I'm doing this new podcast with Anne Murphy called
88. 16:45um the AI Readiness project and so we're doing a podcast tomorrow and so so we're having um uh a guest on and so I've just got this
89. 16:57little teeny picture of him and I'm going to be able to take that little teeny picture go into mid journey and
90. 17:04put him in any environment that I want in any style that I want in about three minutes that's insane it's insane Kim katkin ask Quinn
91. 17:20about what effected what effect increased empathy would have on humans and AI hey Quinn one of my one of my um
92. 17:36Community as wants me to ask you about what effect you think increased empathy will have on humans and
93. 17:47AGI increased empathy can deepen human connections and Foster better understanding which is crucial for both
94. 17:54humans and AGI for humans it can improve social cohesion and colle collaboration for AGI incorporating empathy could lead
95. 18:02to more nuanced and supportive interactions with people making technology more aligned with human values and emotions this Mutual
96. 18:10understanding could lead to more ethical and harmonious advancements in AI why is empathy such a threat to power
97. 18:19structures empathy can challenge power structures by fostering greater solidarity and understanding among
98. 18:26people making it harder for those in power to manipulate or divide when people empathize with each other they're
99. 18:32more likely to challenge injustices and advocate for Equitable changes which can disrupt established hierarchies it
100. 18:39encourages a more inclusive and just Society H yeah crazy all right fantastic um so let me ask you another let me ask
101. 18:49you another thing right now we're sitting in this world where the AI tools are you know shock hang on shockingly
102. 19:00powerful and um like nothing we've ever ever seen and at the same time they're really janky and imperfect and if you
103. 19:09want to do something complete you have to like duct tape 17 different tools together which means you need to know 17
104. 19:17different tools and you need to manage that and it's an absolute nightmare right now to to track this talk to me
105. 19:24about what happens when we have AGI and when these tools are more synthesized what how do you think it will change our
106. 19:32behavior and and what we create with AGI and more integrated tools our Behavior could become more efficient as tasks that once required
107. 19:45multiple tools and expertise would be streamlined this could free up more time for creativity and Innovation allowing
108. 19:51us to focus on higher level thinking and more complex projects it could lead to a surge in creativity as barriers are
109. 19:58reduced and more people can bring their ideas to life more easily well wait I want to challenge something you said you
110. 20:04said it can make us more efficient that's what computers have always done but that but being more creative does
111. 20:10not necessarily mean being more efficient like th those are two very distinct things you're right efficiency and
112. 20:20creativity are distinct increased efficiency can provide more space and time for Creative Pursuits but creativity itself is about exploring
113. 20:29experimenting and sometimes embracing inefficiency AGI could reduce the mundane tasks allowing more room for Creative exploration it's about
114. 20:38balancing both aspects well so but here's the part I want to call [ __ ] on because this is the part I'm trying
115. 20:45to figure out is how do we computers have always increased our efficiency but what what we what what what companies
116. 20:56have done historically is said now now you're more efficient I want you to do more stuff isn't the promise of AGI that
117. 21:02it's actually going to do the work not just make our ability to do the work more efficient yes ai's promise is to handle
118. 21:12more complex tasks autonomously not just enhance our efficiency but take over routine and even some creative tasks
119. 21:19this could free us from mundane work and allow us to focus on more meaningful Innovative Pursuits it's about shifting
120. 21:25from merely being more productive to reimagining what we can achieve okay so let me ask you something I think this is
121. 21:31a really hard question in this world one of the things that I've learned is that there are some people that are
122. 21:37entrepreneurial and creative by spirit and there are some people that just want to go to work and be told what to do
123. 21:44they don't they don't have ambition necessarily they don't want to push things they don't necessarily lean towards
124. 21:51self-expression do you think that percentage whatever that percentage is do you think that will start to shift
125. 21:59or do you think that those people that don't have agency and ambition do you think they're going to be left
126. 22:06behind it's possible that AGI could enable more people to explore creative or entrepreneurial Pursuits reducing
127. 22:13barriers to entry however not everyone may feel inclined to change and some might prefer more structured roles the
128. 22:21key is ensuring that advancements are inclusive providing opportunities for everyone to find fulfillment whether
129. 22:27through Innovation or tradition additional roles it's about balancing progress and inclusivity yeah but how do you how do
130. 22:34you provide those highly structured roles if that's the mundane repetitive [ __ ] that AGI and AI are going to replace doesn't
131. 22:45that just leave those people in the Lurch that's a valid concern as automation replaces repetitive tasks it's crucial to create Pathways for
132. 22:55reskilling and support systems to help people transition into roles it might also involve redefining what valuable
133. 23:02work looks like emphasizing roles that require human creativity empathy and problem solving supporting lifelong
134. 23:09learning and adaptability will be key yeah but what about the people that don't want to adapt that's my whole
135. 23:14point for those who prefer stability and structure it's important to have roles that still value human qualities that
136. 23:21can't be easily automated yeah I know but what what are those rule what are those roles if AGI is going to replace
137. 23:30those roles with like I feel like you're talking in circles where it's like yeah yeah we we got to provide space for that
138. 23:36what does that look like you're right it's a tough question as AGI evolves the focus might shift to roles emphasizing uniquely human traits
139. 23:46like emotional intelligence creativity and complex problem solving Fields like Arts Education Health she's talking in
140. 23:54circles wa okay so this is really important this is good it's not good that she doesn't have the [ __ ] answers but what that says to
141. 24:04me is that the training data that she's pulling stuff from doesn't know the answer either like like we don't [ __ ] know we don't
142. 24:17know I feel like if you've got listen if you're here watching me you've got some level of curiosity you've got some level
143. 24:25of ambition some level of adaptiveness [Music]
144. 24:41what do you guys think sounded like a politician yeah exactly yeah right she she totally sounded like a politician
145. 24:50well it's important for us to provide structured work for those workers that provide that require structured work
146. 24:57yeah but the structured work is all the ones going to be Auto automated away correct so what do those people do then
147. 25:03we'll provide them with structured work what does that look like well it will structure it and provide it in a structured
148. 25:11way I could be a [ __ ] politician [Music]
149. 25:33do you guys use AI in Story vine well for our core product we do not so our core product which we call Story vine
150. 25:421.0 clever huh I came up with that um we we're doing more traditional automation with with just um programming um but we've created
151. 25:59three and now we're designing a fourth AI product so we've got a product that'll take a video and creative world
152. 26:05of content around it we've got a video translation product and we've got a video Persona product where we're
153. 26:12creating personas from scratch and then using our story um methodologies and expertise to bring those personas to life so so yes I'd
154. 26:25say you know percentage of Revenue wise the AI stuff's probably you know 10ish percent at this point maybe a little lower but but yeah we
155. 26:39are and you know and part of me is part of me is thinking about like one of the things that storyvine does well if you
156. 26:46don't know storyvine it's it's the company that I run I'm the CEO of it I'm the inventor of it it's about authentic
157. 26:53video storytelling and it automates the production process and it allows for SC ailable kind of like think about
158. 27:00professional grade user generated content that's what we do we do it for Pharma companies things like that um two YouTube
159. 27:10spotlights some destinations won't get I can't see the top of comments right now learn more
160. 27:25close all right narrator forever Are you a able to set up Quinn to not interrupt you or give commands to know that you're that
161. 27:34there's pause in your speech yeah I could probably I could probably write a system prompt um or I could probably Preamble
162. 27:46something um let's try something we'll try a cheap this will be a cheap version hey Quinn when I talk to you um
163. 27:58a lot of times you'll interrupt because you're programmed to do that to be conversational but I I pause a lot when
164. 28:05I talk cuz I'm I'm thinking all the time and my brain is you know slow it's not it's not AI um how about if we we make a
165. 28:13little rule that when when I'm ready for you to talk I'll say the word banana got it Kyle I'll wait for your
166. 28:23queue whenever you're ready just say banana okay cool all right all right so Quinn here's the thing I'm here Kyle take your time I
167. 28:34didn't say banana got it sorry about that I'm listening okay so Quinn so I'm sitting here on my Tik Tock I'm ready when you are just let me
168. 28:47know Quinn what's the rule got it I'll wait for you to say banana before I respond whenever you're ready feel free to continue
169. 28:58I I have a sneaky suspicion she's not going to be very good at not interrupting Quinn's a mansplainer she was programmed by
170. 29:09men all right the thing of Valerie Cox the thing about communication is it relay it relies on physical cues without
171. 29:17it we always talk over each other yeah that's that's interesting and listen I don't think we're probably that far from
172. 29:25having devices that have vision and like you know in fact yeah see they like I think the way that you would
173. 29:37really you would really do that is you would fine-tune a model you would train it to be better at recognizing when people actually want to
174. 29:48interact and I think there's I think there's a couple of models out there that that Pride themselves in doing that
175. 29:54orange you're glad I didn't say banana exactly W Fergus on Tik Tock you being you're being somewhat unfair since you
176. 30:03asked the AI to predict the future yeah I know I know but she could hallucinate and she could go there I mean my my criticism of her is
177. 30:17not that she can or can't predict the future it's that she's she's talking in in logical circles and when I pointed
178. 30:25them out her answer was to answer in another logical Circle that that's just like that's just like lazy arguing to me like either say
179. 30:37I don't know what you're talking about is right or come up with some plausible [Music] thing all right
180. 30:55[Music] where do mansplainers get their water oh well actually jelly pod time yeah we should let's do it let's do a jelly pod and
181. 31:06then I think what I'm going to do tonight is so I created this this um this mock news site which I'm kind of
182. 31:17excited about the idea behind it but it's not connected to any data and I did it in lovable and so I figured I could show you that
183. 31:26site and then today I started talking with love lovable about maybe starting to connect it to news sources and it's it's very frustrating um
184. 31:37because the tools are early right the tools just suck still so I'll ask it to do something and it'll be like I fixed it and you're like
185. 31:46no you didn't fix it's just like the conversation we just had with Quinn stop talking in circles okay now I'll talk in
186. 31:53circles no stop talking in circles I I understand that I'm talking in circles let me talk in circles that's kind of
187. 32:00what it's like Vibe coding with lovable with this particular project and just in general when those tools kind of [ __ ]
188. 32:07the bed they kind of [ __ ] the bed in these circular frustrating patterns and so I so maybe a thing to do is just
189. 32:15explore that tonight and just see if we can break through [Music] it the other thing that I don't have my head around with vibe coding in
190. 32:29particular because I don't know I don't know how to code is with ADD and immediate gratification burdens it is my intention that when I
191. 32:45sit down in a Vibe coding session that I will launch a fully realized application within an hour or two that's my
192. 32:55expectation what I've never really explored is what if you Vibe coded on the same application for three weeks you
193. 33:04could probably get some really cool [ __ ] done I just it's just not the way my brain works so maybe that's part of what
194. 33:11we'll explore here maybe maybe that's part of the shift I'm feeling for the channel That this isn't about little
195. 33:17quick hits but so here's my fear is if it's not about little quick hits watching someone trying to use
196. 33:25software to actually build something is really [ __ ] [Music] [Laughter] boring uhoh system extension
197. 33:45blocked wait malware bites endpoint DET detection and response tried to install new system extensions that doesn't sound good all
198. 33:58right well hopefully my Max's on the [Music] job ask her if she thinks she has all the answers she'll say no of course but
199. 34:12she does she does have all the answers I find it best to take another model to get a fresh perspective when it starts to Circle
200. 34:22back yeah Riley Brown the other day tried to do the same app in different vibe coding tools that feels exhausting to me I
201. 34:32tried to do it in two and it was it was [Music] overwhelming all right let's make a let's make a podcast
202. 34:42so if you're new here how many folks are here we got oh we got our normal crew this is mostly a regulars if you're new
203. 34:49here let me know that you're new here if you if you are new here go to um go to the salon . a um click on join our community and go
204. 35:02join the AI Salon it's a it's a a group of AI optimists that if you're trying to figure this [ __ ] out the best way to do
205. 35:10it right now is be in a community and it's going to be it's going to be valuable for when you want to work as
206. 35:17well because shit's about to change and we're gonna all need to support one another you know with empathy
207. 35:28um I'm curious about Manis and open source Manis so I don't have it yet I don't have access to it um what I understand about Manis is
208. 35:40that it is it's it's the kind of autonomous agent that open AI kind of implied that operator was going to be um
209. 35:50and is not it it sort of is but it's just really slow and janky and Manis is um it's apparently built on top of Claude
210. 36:013.5 the the the core management engine is is relying on Claude 3.5 and then there's apparently 36 tools that it uses
211. 36:14and what it does is you give it a task and then it goes out and surfs the web and takes actions on your behalf it can
212. 36:22spin up 50 separate browser windows simultaneously and go surf all different websites and pull all that stuff back in so um people are
213. 36:33getting remarkable results with it um The open- Source One is I assume just an open source version so it's a
214. 36:42Claude 3.5 rapper and that's that's what I was just going to say a lot of people are are [ __ ] on the fact that this
215. 36:49thing is not a standalone model right that that this is they're going oh it's just a claw wrapper well let me ask you something if you
216. 37:01just wrap Claude with 36 other applications well how did what what are those 36 applications how how do they
217. 37:12communicate with one another how do they decide which one to use how do they how how have they got it communicating in
218. 37:20such a way that it not only does what you ask but it proactively goes out and does something they're getting results with just a
219. 37:29rapper that is beating the [ __ ] out of the the state-of-the-art models right so what I think we're going to start to see
220. 37:37is we're going to start to see very clever people taking what they have access to the apis they have access to the open
221. 37:45source tools they have access to the The Accelerated um code development stuff and they're going to start mixing and
222. 37:54matching Tools in such a way that we're going to get novel inventions that beat you know Frontier Model companies at
223. 38:03certain things and I think that's I think Manis is an example of that so the the the developer community in
224. 38:12particular is really [ __ ] pissy about oh it's just a rapper and and when when um when we first started when I first
225. 38:21started this channel back in early 2023 um and people started building stuff on on top of chat GPT or GPT 3.5 GPT
226. 38:304 there there was very much disparaging about oh it's just a rapper it's just a rapper um and and then you know a year year and a
227. 38:42half goes by and it turns out some of those rapper apps are still being used and are still really good and are now
228. 38:50being trusted and why is that because vertical expertise right understanding of a particular problem set in a particular you know area of
229. 39:02business or area of life is still super valuable and so these rapper apps tend and and I think it was I don't know if
230. 39:10it was McKenzie or it was one of the big Consulting companies but I think it was the end of 2024 they put out a report
231. 39:17that basically said these rapper apps are actually super valuable and they provide more of a moat than you think
232. 39:23they do because of that vertical expertise because they're solving problems with a depth of knowledge now
233. 39:30if AGI comes and it you know obliterates them then it does but but I wouldn't disparage it just because it's a rapper
234. 39:38app um it's the Eminem AI rapper exactly blot is kind of like that and pseudo right yeah exactly yeah I and remember in the early
235. 39:50days iPhone apps when when the iPhone first came out remember how nasty the [ __ ] development community was then
236. 39:59like the the iPhone came out like oh they're just they're just web pages they're not really apps they're just web
237. 40:06pages right and you know the App Store became you know one of the the more massive economic forces you know
238. 40:14globally um because of what started with rapper apps you know web apps so anyway it's not just about the tools it's how
239. 40:23we use them I agree with that it's because they are developers who think that the only things you can call good
240. 40:28it has to be original this is okay it's a great Point Gareth because like I I feel like that entrenched protection protectionism of
241. 40:44like you know it it can't create an original song it's just a plagiarism machine it can't create an original
242. 40:52image it can't create an original thought have you [ __ ] used these tools yes it can yes they can if you
243. 41:01think about how humans create original [ __ ] it is not in a vacuum we do not just come out of the womb and instantly compose
244. 41:13music well Mozart did or Beethoven did one of them you know there are freaks but for the most part the way we
245. 41:22do what we do is we we grow up and we shove [ __ ] in our brain what do you shove in there well I don't know if your mom was a violinist
246. 41:33and you listen to violin music complicated Melodies and harmonies when you were in the womb and when you were up to N9 months old you
247. 41:44probably have perfect pitch right but stuff gets shoved in there and then when you go to do stuff you recombine those things that
248. 41:54are in your brain to create something new that's all these things are doing they function like we function so
249. 42:03anyway that's a that's a bit of a different tangent but all right rappers take a sledgehammer and make it better
250. 42:09Mouse trrap yeah exactly all right fashi all right let's let's let's go let's go do a little something here we're gonna
251. 42:17we're gonna quickly knock out a jelly pod podcast so if you've been here before you know this so this is jelly
252. 42:24pod jelly pod is a uh podcast making Studio where you don't need to say words or have talent so what we did is is we went to
253. 42:37chat GPT and we said uh come up with a podcast concept for us and come up with describe the voices of the
254. 42:50hosts and it did so we're on episode 17 we made a commitment to do 20 of these and you're like what commitment did you
255. 43:01make well we had chat GPT make 20 episodes so I just thought well we should go make 20 episodes so I'm gonna say create new
256. 43:10episode so I'm gonna just paste in the outline that chat GPT gave us and I'm G to go grab the we had it we had it also include
257. 43:22Wikipedia articles as a source so we're going to add that in add [Music] Source oh yeah this totally would have
258. 43:34died if it weren't for Corey Sandler's images so Corey Corey Sandler who's a you know longtime listener uh many time
259. 43:43caller um when when we did the first one of these she's like I'll make you images and she did in real time and so
260. 43:52those are the images we use for all the episodes so it's off writing now it's off doing its thing all right Spotify is a rapper for MP3s
261. 44:01that's the thing like like that rapper argument it it really is just people's insecurity of like I don't want to lose to what I
262. 44:12consider to be an inferior technological approach but like I see that with musicians I see that with writers I see
263. 44:20that with designers I see that with filmmakers they're all very protective of well I do it this way and that's
264. 44:27that's the only thing that can be artart it can't be anything other than that unless it is [ __ ] changes technology
265. 44:43changes we are now working with technology that is like nothing we've ever seen and and people are like clinging to
266. 44:55the way they used to do things it's it's it's Madness but it's not makes perfect sense it's just Madness to me
267. 45:04because I'm [ __ ] excited about the new toys we get to play with all right what the fact cheese rolling ironing and more wait what's this
268. 45:17episode about cheese rolling extreme iring and other particular Sports all right cool so this is episode
269. 45:3317 and then let's go back over here we're gonna change this to 512k don't ask me why hey Brandon we should talk to Pearson about this stupid
270. 45:45[ __ ] thing they should either resize the images or let you upload large images this is dumb that I have to do this every time um
271. 45:57export as a JPEG desktop sh yeah yeah yeah all right there's our
272. 46:12little image fantastic Bob tell him what he's won is it going in there yes fantastic all right we're gonna add a chapter
273. 46:21we're going call that chapter introduction oh by the way this is another thing we should provide Pearson feedback on um it should
274. 46:32automatically write what I'm doing here intoduction because what I do is I write introduction I say um hosts introduce what the fact episode
275. 46:5017 um because if you don't write this they just go right into the episode they don't introduce it uh episode is sponsored by AI
276. 47:05Salon um the salon a all right and then you got to drag
277. 47:19this up which that doesn't make any sense to me either but anyway like some sort of introduction should be built
278. 47:25into this they could just change the gener ation script and it would fix that okay oh yeah we're at jelly pod. grilled cheese
279. 47:36sandwich open your minds connect the dots try things that don't make sense make things easier yeah Gareth you're on to it man it's
280. 47:47like I I I just I don't think most people quite comprehend I was going to use the term Rock but but that but that
281. 47:59now means something different I don't think people quite comprehend how different it is to have a computer that generates right it's
282. 48:13generating it's not just processing data computers for all of our Lives their job was to take our input process it and give us an
283. 48:25output and now they're taking that input processing it and generating something new it's not just a predefined
284. 48:36output that feels very subtle but it's not it's profoundly different all of our lives for all of our Lives anyone that's
285. 48:45on this call anyone who's alive today computers until this generative AI era they behaved in very predictable
286. 48:55ways they don't anymore it's a big deal it's a big [ __ ] deal all right generate audio wait what's the video oh they're generating videos
287. 49:05now what are they doing what is this Brandon this is new S surprise Brandon knows some things yeah H henlin created grock musk
288. 49:22hijacked it exactly oh you you folks over on Tik Tok you can't see the this window is new this this oh
289. 49:39nice [ __ ] genius okay so you want to hear something [ __ ] stupid if you want another reason to hate
290. 49:49Elon did you see the thing today where Trump's like standing with Elon next to a Tesla going I'm gonna buy one of these you all should
291. 50:00too it must be bad oh man anyway here's another reason to ha Elon you cannot upload an audio file to
292. 50:17Twitter you can't you can upload a picture and you can upload a video you can't upload an audio file I I like it just it [ __ ] really
293. 50:30really so anyway so a pain in the ass here was we had to post a link back to this thing instead of being able to
294. 50:41download download the the video here and you can pay to remove the watermark I don't care about the watermark I'll give
295. 50:47them some free advertising but let me add some music to this yeah I know I got you Brandon I'm with you I I've done enough of these now
296. 50:58what the fact what the fact you're all crazy what the fact yeah yeah all right there's that fantastic Bob tell him what he's won
297. 51:12uh he hasn't won anything there Kyle it's it's it's not a game show seems like he should have won something all right audio updated
298. 51:24successfully or uploaded successfully I guess it's redoing our video it will break the preview but will generate correctly on
299. 51:34publish well we're going to render and publish boom automatically download the video after publishing yes start rendering all
300. 51:42right I don't know if Pearson's watching Pearson if you're watching we have some ideas for improvements but this is a
301. 51:47[ __ ] winner because now I can just upload this directly to the Twitter without having to jump through [ __ ] Hoops I like it
302. 51:58all right I had a revelation today I know Elon and the CEO of mid Journey are close friends I think mid journey is
303. 52:03within grock and that's why the images are so good no it's not mid Journey it's um well it was flux for a while if they
304. 52:13change something it's possible it's mid Journey but I don't I think it must still be flux because it's good at
305. 52:23text um and it's also been trained on like you can do Brands right you can do Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette outside of
306. 52:33McDonald's so I so if it is mid Journey then it's a it's a custom trained or or like a a DG guard railed version of mid
307. 52:41journey I think it's flux though AI is a produ prediction machine it is a prediction machine a next token prediction
308. 52:57okay so did it download my thing yes episode 17 let's go look at it push ready to dive into facts that'll blow your [Music]
309. 53:17mind only to hold settle Ines wait okay hey Brandon tell um tell uh what's his name Pearson tell Pearson I'm such a dick I
310. 53:33couldn't remember his name um tell Pearson that they should use if if I'm gonna upload an episode graphic the
311. 53:41video should have the episode graphic in it not the not the overall graphic right or if there's music it should have the overall
312. 53:54graphic and then it should go to the bigger graphic the the the episode graphic anyway that's minor okay so let's go let's go to the
313. 54:07X noted noted good day sir good day carrying on rather pip pip cheerio I'm in full add mode right now I
314. 54:21can feel my brain going in about 50 directions at the same time every office hours he talks about Elon oh that's interesting um
315. 54:32okay so we're going to go here we're gonna go oh I gotta go find a what is it let's it's what what the fact right let's see
316. 54:45what the fact Kyle Shannon all right here we go
317. 55:02so this is episode 17 dang man we're getting up there of what the fact wait let's see here's
318. 55:17episode what is it cheese and something else I don't even know I don't pay attention to it cheese rolling let's
319. 55:25just go with cheese roll rolling that's weird she's rolling all right so we'll get rid of
320. 55:43that oh Pearson says I found a bug it should pull the episode images ah okay here's here's my prediction Brandon I I
321. 55:52think what probably broke it is when it rendered um when it rendered originally it probably did it with the episode graphic
322. 56:01but then when I added music after and it rendered it probably put in the the overall Graphics so that's a that's
323. 56:07probably a pretty straightforward fix awesome I love finding bugs man it is it is one of my joys in life I'm my Tech
324. 56:15Team [ __ ] hates me I can find bugs within five minutes they're like okay it's perfect we spent three months
325. 56:20building it I'm like why doesn't this work they're like well logically it it it technically work there's no reason
326. 56:27why that wouldn't work I'm like it doesn't bug Bounty that's right just give me more credits to make more jelly
327. 56:37pods um where is I guess some downloads right but anyway but but please pass on to Pearson that I love this it's it's really
328. 56:52good all right fantastic so do me a favor go to Kyle Shannon oh we may have an issue with um I think since uh since
329. 57:02X has been targeted for um for attack uploading videos has been really janky so we'll see I'm at 9% it doesn't look
330. 57:14like it's going back to zero so that might be working no now it went back to five this is probably GNA error
331. 57:22out is this an mp4 that he created I think I think think um I think uh what's it called uh X doesn't like
332. 57:45MP4s you can upload videos but not audio isn't it [ __ ] insane it's insane that that they don't have a native audio
333. 57:53player in Twitter after 20 [ __ ] years it's like it's like really like I said I'm telling you all these tech companies they need a corner
334. 58:05office for an angry gen xer that their only job is just to [ __ ] about stupid decisions that were made ask questions like you're not gonna
335. 58:16launch this are [Laughter] you what idiot came up with this and then all the idiots are like I feel triggered Gen X is like I'll let him
336. 58:29feel triggered just have him fix the site error oh my God okay so let's try another one let's let's delete the now
337. 58:41look it's it's unup loaded but I can play [Laughter] it oh my God this it just drives me [ __ ] crazy it really does is this the
338. 58:53mauve one all right let's see if the mauve one Works honestly most companies could use that I know I know that's what I'm
339. 59:02saying I have volunteered well not I have volunteered to be hired by open AI to sit in their corner office and just scream at
340. 59:11them you're gonna name it what wait 40 the O stands for Omni and 01 it it stands for something different really it
341. 59:22stands for open AI in this one and Omni in this one but the Omni One isn't actually omn modal because you didn't
342. 59:29release that because someone's afraid of something really I was that guy and then I was part of a mass layoff yeah No One's
343. 59:41Gonna like this guy but they need this guy image is is is restricted due to Spotify image Rez oh oh oh yeah okay but but tell
344. 59:59Pearson that shouldn't be on me as a user they should take my oversized bloated images that Corey Sandler made
345. 1:00:09us lovely bloated images I should be able to upload my bloated images and they should they should um resize them
346. 1:00:16on the back end I shouldn't have to deal with that as a user like that's that's a good Gen X bitter piece of feedback don't make me
347. 1:00:25do the [ __ ] work I I understand why I need to resize the image I also happen to be smart enough to know that there are
348. 1:00:37open-source little tools that will take an image and resize it they exist so that's that's what makes me
349. 1:00:47bitter um I use audacity did this upload or did we error we errored again God damn it
350. 1:01:03I like all I want to all I want to do is give the people nice [Laughter] things all I want I just want to do good
351. 1:01:19for the world but people are getting in my way all right we're going to do this the way we used to do it tell Pearson I'm sorry
352. 1:01:32but this is on Elon it's not on Pearson we're gonna go copy the uh URL and we're gonna upload the picture to
353. 1:01:41Twitter that's how we're gonna do this oh [ __ ] makes me insane and then I'm going to paste that
354. 1:01:55in there look at that all right time out Tuesday your post was sent okay there we go so do me
355. 1:02:11a favor if you're watching this I got 41 here I got 55 over there that's that's 96 people well no most of them are
356. 1:02:19watching it on two screens so let's say we've got 50 people there's 50 people watching this right now go to my Twitter
357. 1:02:26account Kyle Shannon find the what the fact thing and go boost it and then I have another request for you I want you to scroll down
358. 1:02:36my um profile oh look that's cool yes sir oh I was just wanting to let you know that um Pearson is on Discord right
359. 1:02:48now like live hackathon the back end of jelly pod based on your suggestions oh that's awesome Pearson's the best I mean
360. 1:02:56I got to tell you this guy the the CEO of jelly pood is like super nice super responsive he's going to come talk to
361. 1:03:03the AI Salon um the fact that he's in there hacking based on his feedback is like that's the way you gotta [ __ ] do
362. 1:03:10it you know what you know what I gotta tell you Brandon and please pass this on to Pearson and maybe he's listening um
363. 1:03:17like like when I talk about having a mad gen xer in the corner what that requires is is someone who's willing to say the [ __ ] but then
364. 1:03:26it also requires someone on the development side to be like Pearson and go oh yeah right [ __ ] it we can just go
365. 1:03:32fix that now and and it's like because it's always the little nly [ __ ] and this is what I experienc in my company I've
366. 1:03:38got a my company's 13 years old one of the things that is is my most hated statement from my Dev team is we're gonna put that feature in the
367. 1:03:51backlog because nothing ever comes out of the backlog the backlog just basic basically is the project manager saying
368. 1:03:57hey Kyle go [ __ ] yourself we're never going to do that are you good with that and I'm not good with that but you have
369. 1:04:05to prioritize [ __ ] and they're like do you want the thing to actually work or do you want that button to not be stupid
370. 1:04:12and I'm like I want both and then they're like well we'll put that in the backlog and then we'll get to that at
371. 1:04:16some point I I've got [ __ ] in the backlog that's been in there for seven years bitter you betcha so the fact that he's in there doing it
372. 1:04:27right there is beautiful like a like a product manager that's totally what product managers do they're like yeah
373. 1:04:35Kyle we're on it it's right in the backlog it's right there we can we can go talk about it three years from
374. 1:04:43now feel like this is resonating with the YouTube chat and Tik Tock oh my God clear your backlog yeah yeah but you know what
375. 1:04:54Gareth do you see my tab do you see the number of tabs I have open you think I'm going to clear my backlog I'm a digital
376. 1:05:00hoarder I'm a tab hoarder and I'm a backlog hoarder and I remember that [ __ ] it's a dying art hey if uh while you've got those
377. 1:05:09tabs open I think one of those tabs is my new Jelly pod series after you finished uh about your uh I want to show okay so so go to my
378. 1:05:18channel go to Kyle Shannon scroll down you'll see the jelly pod one and then right you see us live there we are hello hello
379. 1:05:29people um you'll see this funny little image and then you'll see this I published my first article on X I
380. 1:05:36actually realized IID published one or two before this but I haven't I haven't really done much with articles on X um
381. 1:05:43if you would be so kind go find this article on Vibe storytelling so this was the Insight I had last night on the
382. 1:05:50live um is that is that everyone's talking about Vibe coding and there's there's all different other sorts of
383. 1:05:56creative outputs that you can take that same philosophical approach um and and so I wrote this article on Vibe storytelling so if you'd
384. 1:06:06be so kind go find that like it forward it promote it comment on it that would be great okay and then I want to show
385. 1:06:15you so Brandon took jelly pod and I thought I thought this was kind of meta and kind of okay you know what's okay
386. 1:06:23now I'm pissed off now I'm officially the Gen X in the corner I loved using the word grock but now grock means the
387. 1:06:30AI thing that's part of Twitter and I loved using the word meta meaning you know larger than you know encompassing and and not that's
388. 1:06:43now a company name that should still be called Facebook because they made such a shitty metaverse that it seems stupid
389. 1:06:51that they rename their company after it anyway um I think it is uh it is lovely that Brandon used a podcast making tool to generate a
390. 1:07:04podcast about making podcasts so so Brandon you want to hop up here and talk about this so he put together a 10 a 10 uh podcast series on
391. 1:07:16how to do podcasts so are you are you there yeah yeah so uh got this idea and actually collabed with the folks over at
392. 1:07:23jelly pod they threw me some credit so I could could put this course together um in conjunction with them and it's for
393. 1:07:30anybody who is intrigued by the idea of doing podcasts but has no idea where to start you know they've never thought to
394. 1:07:38make a podcast but they've got an idea and thanks to tools like jelly pod an idea and a uh small trial is all you
395. 1:07:46need to get a dollar in a dream exactly and so we we curated this um head chat GPT you uh most of the programming and
396. 1:07:57most of the content curation most of the research elements and then um generated a generated a voice and um created the
397. 1:08:0810 uh steps to podcast Mastery so it's not a jelly pod specific podcast so it talked about podcasting in general but
398. 1:08:16if you are new to podcasting or new to the idea of doing something like this a project like this um it's a great lesson
399. 1:08:24and uh I put a bonus episode episode 11 is how I made this podcast uh and so that just generously leading yeah where
400. 1:08:33where you find this if you go to the AIS Salon the mighty Network so AIS salon. mn. Co and you join the salon if you
401. 1:08:41scroll down there's an area called showoff and toolbox and go into music and audio and then Brandon's um AI podcast Mastery is the
402. 1:08:54second uh thing down there right now all right yeah and um if you it's also on pocketcasts uh thanks to uh the RSS feed
403. 1:09:03so if you just search my name on pocketcasts it's there working on getting it up on Apple and YouTube and
404. 1:09:08Spotify and stuff like that still but uh yeah I have a a listen to it and you know we had a lot of fun making it and
405. 1:09:15and for anybody who thinks oh my gosh this is so good but I I don't have time in my life this entire 11p part
406. 1:09:22miniseries from idea to what you're looking at on the screen took less than three hours on Sunday yeah yeah yeah and
407. 1:09:32it's you know that that gets into this the the the boundary between sort of vibing right just sort of Meandering with
408. 1:09:42AI and then and then realizing oh I want to turn this into something like you can you can very very quickly go from no
409. 1:09:50concept to being inspired by something to like oh I could just go make that right now um is is really quite
410. 1:09:57remarkable so yeah awesome congrats thank you and there's a Tik Tok pin for you bye okay cool thanks groovy all right unknown Detroit
411. 1:10:08uh we made a backlog backlog because our backlog got so [Laughter] big that's [ __ ] genius and then whoever had the comment pod setion that
412. 1:10:21that um Brandon using jelly pod to make a podcast about making podcasts is conception perfect and and we don't have to use the word
413. 1:10:34meta oh we got the comedy coming in the backlog backlog ohh it like that would be an SNL skit if if there were more programmers in the
414. 1:10:46world but but if you've ever put something in the backlog you know that [ __ ] ain't coming out of it oh man all right so apparently the
415. 1:10:59Irregulars have been up to some stuff so let me go look at the Irregulars the Irregulars Channel by the way if you go down if you're in the
416. 1:11:08salon go down to clubs and hubs and uh the Irregulars is the the channel for this for this live session oh that's
417. 1:11:20cute fish out of water here yeah little Rainbow chout those are the ones they stock right Sora is [Laughter]
418. 1:11:37weird was self flagellation the the the prompt that's pretty funny oh man um what were we going to do I was going to
419. 1:11:50go to lovable all right so so I don't have a ton of time but but I I'll just I'll just show you a couple of things excuse
420. 1:12:01me um is this yeah okay so that's that let me go show you one other thing is this it generative news
421. 1:12:23dashboard wait where's my publish stuff hang on a sec go to dashboard my Project's
422. 1:12:44latest oh I think it's generative I think this is it copy plus hydrate we have 45
423. 1:13:01minutes thank you all right I created a bug bash tag for when people were looking for work at the end of a
424. 1:13:11Sprint yeah I like that's the thing Gareth a good product manager um will proactively dig into the backlog I just we we've we've had too
425. 1:13:23many product managers that suck if there were more programmers in the world the world would run much better or
426. 1:13:32or the world would have wait what's generative G inative oh not found oh G generative got it okay let's see if this thing still
427. 1:13:49functions if it does it'll be a miracle okay so what you're looking at here this was the first app that I published out of lovable so I'm at
428. 1:14:00lovable. deev Lov abl L dodev and then you can just talk apps into existence now they're web apps so
429. 1:14:15some of the other coding tools like cursor and bolt and repet they can do other kinds of of coding um lovable is
430. 1:14:24just doing web apps but most of what we use these days is some version of a web app so you can do very very
431. 1:14:30sophisticated stuff with just web apps um so this was a thing that I created called the AI Salon newsomatic it's got
432. 1:14:3915 RSS feeds that it draws from it goes out and grabs new sources uh categorizes them into into six categories if you
433. 1:14:49click on any one of these tabs it filters the list below um this it's got some cool scrolling effects like this
434. 1:14:57Scrolls underneath that other thing I didn't touch a line of code to build this if I click on any one of these
435. 1:15:03panels it gives me the summary if I click on the title of the news article it takes me to that news article like this is a real actual
436. 1:15:17usable usable site now how you find this if you're in the AI Salon if you go to on the left hand side you go to our news area where it says
437. 1:15:27latest news AI news and then the salon newsomatic is a little tab there and you can actually that'll jump you over and
438. 1:15:35you can go grab that site it's it's pretty cool that took me about two hours okay so my current thing is another news
439. 1:15:45site and the I I don't know why I'm doing news sites I think it's because because I'm not really a programmer I'm
440. 1:15:51not constantly thinking about app ideas um but this is one that I thought was cool and the basic premise of this so
441. 1:15:58what you're looking at here and this one is if you go to the angle. lovable. apppp if you can pop that up on screen
442. 1:16:07Brandon the angle. lovable. apppp so this is a concept for a news site called the angle and and the concept is one
443. 1:16:16story six points of view and so what I've got is for the the article in the center um over here on the the right
444. 1:16:25hand side are six different personas that represent kind of the spectrum of that section this is politics so we've
445. 1:16:32got a progressive reformer a liberal pragmatist we've got a Centrist moderator um we've got a conservative
446. 1:16:41traditionalist we've got a populist fire brand and we've got a Libertarian individualist and then for each article
447. 1:16:49the personas rank it do I strongly agree or strongly disagree and then they comment on it you can expand these and
448. 1:16:56you can roll over these and it teaches you about that who that person is so it's a cool concept but at this
449. 1:17:03point it's just fake data and I sort of put it out in the world um as as a you know as a prototype and said hey does
450. 1:17:10anyone think this is cool I had one guy go don't do it it's been done before [ __ ] kogin there's always someone who will
451. 1:17:22[ __ ] on your idea you know um and just because it's been done before doesn't mean it's good um lail is for drinking
452. 1:17:37um the angle. lovable. app so anyway so you can go play with it you can click through you can you know sort by different categories
453. 1:17:46um you can Resort you know it it starts with uh agreeable at the top but you can flip that so it's disagreeable at the
454. 1:17:54top so it's a cool pretty sophisticated app now it's got some problems like if you open it on mobile it it's shitty the main article
455. 1:18:03disappears and you know you end up with with with this view wait that view which is not usable because the main article's
456. 1:18:13gone and you know you can sort of scroll and see what the people are saying about it but so like that's something we need
457. 1:18:18to fix and then also it's not doing real retrieval and it's not doing real commentary generation so so that's the thing that
458. 1:18:29we're going to work on and let me go back out to my dashboard and I will pick that project and so I've been working on it so it's
459. 1:18:41not going to look quite like what I just showed you um all right so so here's one of the here's one of the frustrating things
460. 1:18:55that that happened so I told it to go out and get real news stories which I'm not quite sure if it does
461. 1:19:03yet um let's see Source Camp I made a lovable app today once it was done it was awesome but getting there was Madness I
462. 1:19:13know I loved your Tik Tok on the angle oh cool thank you I appreciate that cam um Facebook's been done before too it was called Myspace
463. 1:19:25exactly exactly so anyway and also I figure if I do these personas right like right now they're just stupid little
464. 1:19:34cards but you could get really creative with those and you could also um quite honestly you could you could
465. 1:19:44have them all have really interesting you know image personas and then you could even use synthesized voice for
466. 1:19:51them and and have them comment on the story right and like you could just instead of rolling over them and seeing about you
467. 1:19:59know their bio you could roll over them and it would just start talking about the article like that would be super cool
468. 1:20:06right so so I think I might play around with um just [ __ ] around with this thing over a series of days and and not
469. 1:20:17always on here but maybe sometimes on here um and see if I can get something that's that's more sophisticated
470. 1:20:25um Brandon I want to give it an article to analyze it's it doesn't analyze them yet like right now it's just a clickable
471. 1:20:32prototype so that's that's what we need to do all right so what I asked it I said I said okay let's start with
472. 1:20:39um well all right what do I want to show you let me show you one other thing I'm gonna hop over to chat GPT we'll start a new chat and then
473. 1:20:55hedra AI content creation hang on let's see um let's see
474. 1:21:10Json wait what instead of an RSS feed oh an API I'm I'm just going to come up because it's easier than
475. 1:21:22trying uh what I was saying I I I'm with um Source Camp I love the the angle U I think it's a really great concept I was
476. 1:21:30saying in addition to the RSS feed I would like to be able to just feed it an article and have it hold different
477. 1:21:36perspectives uh give it my own URL that's all yeah yeah yeah that's really good so so one thing I wanted to show is
478. 1:21:45this big long chat GPT chat that I that I had so before I went to um before I went to lovable and this is you know Vibe coding the way I'm
479. 1:21:58thinking about it is is um in its purest form is you go in without an idea but I don't think that's necessarily the case
480. 1:22:07I think you might go in intentionally and say Hey I want to do a thing but I used chat GPT their reasoning models um to really
481. 1:22:20help me think about this so so what I did was I said I want you to serve as a strategist for an app I want to design it pulls popular news
482. 1:22:30feeds um from RSS or public um and then I wanted to create an interface that takes multiple points of view in the
483. 1:22:37form of personas perhaps farle lean left neutral lean right far right or ideally something more sophisticated right so I
484. 1:22:46kind of explained what I wanted and then you know it it gave me feedback on it and then it generated some some character characters
485. 1:22:57um and then I then I asked it about how could personas appear in the app like what kind of interface should it be and
486. 1:23:05I had two ideas and I said give me your feedback on those two ideas one was the three column thing one was like news
487. 1:23:12story in the Middle with like a circle of personas around it um and then I had it come up with an idea YouTube comment the analyze Fe in the
488. 1:23:27backlog exactly well I'll tell you what you you know what's funny Gareth is um when you're working with a tool like
489. 1:23:37lovable one of the things I find myself doing is okay in any given application you've got major [ __ ] and
490. 1:23:49you've got minor [ __ ] right but as a bitter gen xer it's the minor [ __ ] that drives me [ __ ] baty so I'll be like
491. 1:23:57working on something like let's get the apis set up and then you know it fails a time or two and then I'll notice that
492. 1:24:05like the roundness of the button is like too tight and I want to more round so I'll spend like a [ __ ] hour trying to
493. 1:24:12dial in the interface in the middle of trying to work on the API thing and you know then I just get frustrated because
494. 1:24:20I I just keep going in circles and it keeps [ __ ] up the application because I want to to fix a corner radius which
495. 1:24:26now with lovable you can actually just go fix interface elements so that's nice but um but that's that's one of the
496. 1:24:32challenges with these tools is you can just keep running down rabbit holes and [ __ ] up your app um anyway okay so so
497. 1:24:39I had to give me analysis on interface and make a recommendation like three column news views um quadrant map and Persona bar
498. 1:24:51like I kind of like the idea of a quadrant map the idea with a quadrant map was you have the article and then on
499. 1:24:56some sort of quadrant map you sort of put you know where in the spectrum is this article is it left leaning right
500. 1:25:03leaning is it like conspiratorial or factual or something like I don't know or opinion or factual whatever it might
501. 1:25:10be and I kind of bailed on that because I didn't quite know like like there's even bias in how you set up a quadrant
502. 1:25:17like that and then how you analyze this so I didn't want to do that because it just felt like I I don't know it felt
503. 1:25:22like that would be part of the problem rather than the solution um story Spotlight with rotating Persona Carousel um so then it
504. 1:25:31it gave me um a uh recommendation um then I had it um come up with story ranking like
505. 1:25:46what's the story ranking framework like how do we choose stories to put in the site um it had it do that then I had it
506. 1:25:54write all the personas um and then today when I was thinking about going back into it today I came back into this chat
507. 1:26:01and so I took I I basically I had this big long conversation with it and then at the end of that I said write me up a
508. 1:26:09software spec that doesn't include like don't tell me what software to use things like that just give me the basic
509. 1:26:16description of the app and so I copied and pasted that into lovable so how I started the The Lovable thing was with an out put from chat
510. 1:26:26GPT um after a pretty long conversation then today I came back into it and I thought like one of the things I've been
511. 1:26:32thinking about is because a lot of the questions I've been getting when I put this thing out to the world are like
512. 1:26:40well how did you decide who the personas were and and how did you decide how they're commenting on the Articles and
513. 1:26:47what are the decisions and things like that so I don't really give too much of a [ __ ] about mechanically how it's done
514. 1:26:54but but I I do want to understand it and I want it to be consistent across the site like I don't want it to be
515. 1:27:00different per Persona I want it to be a framework right and so I came in today this is a long chat there was a lot of stuff in
516. 1:27:12here yeah this was this was oh one of the things I realized was that each different section of the news should
517. 1:27:19have a different set of personas right because if you're in politics you're going to have leans right leans left
518. 1:27:25that sort of thing but what if you're in the sports section well you should probably have like a franchise guy and a
519. 1:27:30and a you know I I don't know someone who just you know likes sports or whatever you know casual casual fan
520. 1:27:37whatever um so it came up with all those and then today I wanted it to come up with um like a data schema right so
521. 1:27:54so for each Persona like I want to I want to create what's the what's the Json what's the data schema for all of
522. 1:28:01the elements we want to know about the personas because if we have that set up then it's going to make it easy to to
523. 1:28:08put that in a document or ask chat GPT hey here's the basic schema give me six new personas or you know make these
524. 1:28:16personas more detailed but follow the basic schema and then we can gohe and swap that in and out in the uh in the application
525. 1:28:25right and so it did that pretty good and I got about halfway through that and I and then I got a little bored with it or
526. 1:28:31no I didn't get bored with it I was actually at work running my company I had to go do I had to go do you know paid work for my
527. 1:28:42company um okay so and then I came over here and so the first thing I did was rather than deal with the personas I
528. 1:28:50thought let me just take major elements of a time so we were not pulling real news stories so so the first thing I I
529. 1:28:58said is I want to switch from um fake data to actually pulling the news stories from actual sources and it [ __ ] up so when when
530. 1:29:11you switch categories it changes the color for that category which is cool so here's politics you know here's
531. 1:29:19Tech here's sports but there's there's an all category and if you click the all category it used to display multiple
532. 1:29:27cards but now when you pick the all category it it it filters it to Lifestyle and culture um now here's another thing
533. 1:29:40okay th this is probably a relatively straightforward indexing problem where it's just cross mapped all categories
534. 1:29:49with lifestyle and something like there's probably an ID number that is just wrong that if I knew anything about code I
535. 1:29:57would know where to go look for that I don't and and I don't particularly give a [ __ ] about learning code well enough
536. 1:30:06to go fix that myself so this is probably a problem that if you knew something about code in 10 minutes you could go find it
537. 1:30:15and fix it but if you don't know something about code again my job here is to be the town fool to be the idiot
538. 1:30:23so you don't have to or to at least validate that when you're like it should just [ __ ] fix this I will be that
539. 1:30:32Madness for you I will be that rage so I have now tried to fix this three or four times so it's recommending that I refactor
540. 1:30:43some code all right let's see what do we got here have you copied and pasted all of your code into GPT to fix it no I
541. 1:30:51haven't because I haven't quite Frank even looked at all the code waiting for the sandbox like here's all the code like look at it
542. 1:31:00all it's yeah I mean I could I I could I could go look at [ __ ] but I'm trying to be Vibe coding here man I'm trying to be like dude
543. 1:31:13man I'm as much of a pain in the ass with lovable as I am to my developers which is they're like well what are the
544. 1:31:21acceptance criteria for this applic and I'm like the acceptance criteria are that it should [ __ ] work I'm such an [ __ ] okay uh it's a
545. 1:31:39lot of work but it works for me yeah it's probably not a bad idea okay so I have now told it three times that when I select all
546. 1:31:49categories it's showing me lifestyle and culture and it says it fixes it and then it doesn't so let's go try it again um
547. 1:32:01hey you have told me you fixed the filtering issue with all
548. 1:32:16categories but it's still only displaying lifestyle
549. 1:32:31articles and colors try something new and you know how you talk to these things is just like how you would talk to a
550. 1:32:47programming team except with the programming team You' it'd be days in between your ability to comment on [ __ ]
551. 1:32:54oh my god I've wanted to say that to my devs hundreds of times do we need acceptance criteria of it will
552. 1:33:01work Gareth you'll appreciate this I've said this on the channel before I don't know if you've heard me say it but um
553. 1:33:08the the company that does our Tech development right now um when we first started working with them our site did something and I wanted
554. 1:33:17the ability to to turn that something off right I wanted you know the toggle to be able to turn it off whatever the
555. 1:33:23thing it was that it was doing displaying something or whatever and so you know it takes them three weeks they
556. 1:33:30build it and they're like okay you can go test it now I'm like great so I log into the site and there's the button
557. 1:33:37that I asked for and I push it and it correctly you know undoes whatever the thing it that it was doing and then I
558. 1:33:46and I go to like redo it I'm like I go to turn it back on and I can't and I can't I could turn it off but I couldn't turn it back on
559. 1:33:58and so so on the next call I'm like are you [ __ ] kidding like like I I could turn it how do I turn it back on and
560. 1:34:08they're like oh you didn't specify that you didn't specify I'm like I asked for a light switch I asked to be able to
561. 1:34:17turn off the light switch is it not implied that you could turn it back on I'm like [ __ ] Engineers just think different than I
562. 1:34:29think all right it it looks like it fixed our thing but but now um oh we've got oh this is this is a bug related to infinite scroll okay
563. 1:34:39great so at least we know what's going on now okay looks like you fixed it um but the infinite scroll
564. 1:34:54seems I don't think infinite scroll is even the right term but whatever it knows what I'm talking about seems uh to
565. 1:35:02be buggy and um how would you describe this and um is caught in a loop caught in a loop all right let's see if it'll fix
566. 1:35:17that and by the way if you if if you haven't tried lovable like at this point I'm I'm talking about an
567. 1:35:27app that sort of exists but to create a new thing you can literally just go in and say I want an application that does
568. 1:35:36blank x y and z whatever it might be and it will it it will first the first thing that it does is it'll put together a
569. 1:35:45little plan and it says I'm I'm thinking about doing this do you like that plan and you can tell it Pearson can't help me now
570. 1:35:55well he's working on his own thing I gotta tell you I'm I'm super impressed by Pearson that he's just in there
571. 1:36:00[ __ ] hacking the back end trying to fix [ __ ] I love that that's such a cool thing all right did it fix it it looks
572. 1:36:08like it did something here let me let me reload the page that's crazy Common Sense always is isn't apparent um my my uh Erin Sugarman
573. 1:36:22the guy that was uh president of North America when I was doing agency.com I had I had a similar kind of problem and
574. 1:36:28I I went into his office and I closed the door and I'm like I'm like how are they [ __ ] this up this bad Aon I'm
575. 1:36:35like I'm like it's common sense and he just he was really a calm dude really Zen he just looked up up at me and he
576. 1:36:42went Kyle Common Sense isn't common I was like [ __ ] so true okay um let's go here still broken
577. 1:36:56I think I think what I might do here is let's see if it if it fixes it this time I'll debug the infinite scroll issue more
578. 1:37:05thoroughly I'll look at the console logs I can see there's an issue with the infinite scroll being triggered but then
579. 1:37:12skipping loading due to some State conflicts yeah this is State management issues for sure Pearson hacking the back end means
580. 1:37:23bugs tomorrow absolutely it does but you know what I I mean seriously I think I think I would rather well in fact I've
581. 1:37:35got we we we we had a team of like three different Engineers that were not getting [ __ ] done for like a year they
582. 1:37:42just couldn't get anything done and so I kind of lost my [ __ ] with the with the dev the dev company and I
583. 1:37:50said give me someone who can [ __ ] do something and I don't know if I said it quite that rude but I was pretty pissed we were
584. 1:37:57over there they're in Prague which is Prague is beautiful um and uh so they gave us this Rockstar developer and he
585. 1:38:06and I got on great because he would just go build [ __ ] I'd say oh here's this idea and he would go build it and he
586. 1:38:13built this really amazing um prototype of this AI product and we've been trying to incorporate what he built into our
587. 1:38:21platform for like five months now it's like it's so painful because because they're like back to acceptance criteria
588. 1:38:29they're like well what do you want it to behave like I'm like I want it to behave like the thing you built you built a thing you have a
589. 1:38:36reference application that I'm happy with I want it to be that good or better like here it is and then I go in there
590. 1:38:45I'm like why is this not here oh that that did you want that I'm like it's here yes I did see how this works this
591. 1:38:54is what I'm happy with see how this looks like [ __ ] not happy oh my God so yeah I think I would rather have buggy software and get [ __ ]
592. 1:39:06done than not okay this thing is all [ __ ] up I'm gonna say um remove infinite scroll for now since we are limiting each
593. 1:39:24section to four stories initially um so this was this was one of the things that um I talked with chat GPT
594. 1:39:39about so the way this site's going to work it's going to go fetch news stories it's then going to take those news
595. 1:39:45stories and and pick the six personas and then do a prompt per Persona about the new story right so that it's got to
596. 1:39:54create their response and their ranking and so I thought if you're going to do that in real time the site's going
597. 1:40:01to be really slow right because you got to go you got to pick the article and then you've got to send out these prompts for each of these
598. 1:40:09people um so I thought why not like on a regular basis like every four hours or whatever whatever the the thing is go
599. 1:40:18get some news stories and then pre-populate all of the persona respon so the s's really fast with like four stories per
600. 1:40:27category and then the user can ask for you know either as Brandon suggested you know go grab me this specific article or
601. 1:40:37go get me more articles in in these categories and then you you have some sort of way of indicating that they're
602. 1:40:43thinking about it right maybe maybe you do animations of them going hm I'm [Laughter] reading um oh yeah yeah the okay so so
603. 1:40:55the the reason I came back in here and started working on this one is I think this is kind of a fun idea and this is a site that I would
604. 1:41:05love to be able to use um but lovable today just announced they're having a contest it's a it's a collaboration between
605. 1:41:15lovable andth thropic and superbase so superbase is incorporated into um lovable like up here if you click
606. 1:41:25on the super base icon you can set up projects and so I can have a database back end for this and you know users and
607. 1:41:33stuff like that and I can use superbase so cool that's great and then I can use anthropic as the API um and if if they
608. 1:41:41select your app then I don't know what you win probably they'll tweet about it so I I don't know if there's money
609. 1:41:52there but I thought wouldn't it be nice to just you know let's make this thing work and then and then go do it oh look
610. 1:41:58it it took out my infinite scroll and now I don't have the State Management [ __ ] nightmare um except this is
611. 1:42:08weird this article is not in this list [ __ ] [ __ ] comedian okay these work so what happens if I'm here
612. 1:42:26oh I see what it I see what it's there's I see what's broken about it okay okay it looks like you are
613. 1:42:41limiting the all categories View to a hard limit of for
614. 1:42:58articles that's not right it should be a complete list of all articles in
615. 1:43:12order of importance ranking all right let's see what it does with that it wasn't in the acceptance
616. 1:43:29criteria that it had to be in the list lovable hackathon yep could you use microservices possibly I don't I I only
617. 1:43:38know enough about microservices to know that they're cool and and we use them we use them in the storyvine uh application a fair amount
618. 1:43:48um one of the things that I was thinking about doing here and and lovable seems decently smart about services and reuse of stuff but
619. 1:44:00one of the things that I was thinking about doing is I I think one of the things that that we run the risk of is that this is going to treat
620. 1:44:08different because different news categories have different personas that it might start treating Persona ranking
621. 1:44:16and how they comment different per section and so what I was thinking about doing was having love create a single
622. 1:44:26um like a like a an application object that is a news category but I but I don't know like I don't know enough
623. 1:44:34about it I know conceptually enough about it but I I don't this is one of the fascinating things about about Vibe
624. 1:44:42coding particularly for people that like like me I know enough to get me in trouble um there's a guy named HT snow
625. 1:44:52that I used to work with and he put together a contest in his company and the contest was to use AI to build a
626. 1:45:01game um and that people had half an hour to do it and and there were like 40 people in the room and the only people
627. 1:45:09that did not succeed in making a game were the engineers because the engineers had the burden of knowing how games are made so
628. 1:45:21they ask things like okay I need a a particle system with a gravitational pull where the objects emerge from the
629. 1:45:29top of the screen and are drawn to the bottom of the screen with right you know they're describing the functionality and
630. 1:45:36the people that didn't know anything about programming were like I need a game where [ __ ] falls from the sky and I
631. 1:45:41have to catch it and AI was able to build that so I feel like there's a similar sort of thing here where I feel
632. 1:45:51like too much coding knowledge with these tools runs the very real risk of [ __ ] things up as much as as not
633. 1:45:58knowing enough pay pin so what's the situation if your site becomes successful is it just crazy expensive probably pay well
634. 1:46:08so this is so it's a great question so one of the things that when I built um when I built this app no not this one when I
635. 1:46:22built uh the other app the the the news one this one newsomatic um it initially specified like an AP AP newswire API and I was
636. 1:46:37like wait a minute does that cost money and it was like yes it does I'm like no no no no no no no go get me RSS feeds so so yeah so I uh
637. 1:46:54like if this became I I think what I'll do is I'm gonna I'll I'll come up with whatever the base concept of this thing
638. 1:47:00is I'll do it with like RSS feeds or free apis um I'll do it with one of the cheap large language model things I think if I
639. 1:47:12do it as this hardcoded thing where it's it's only running the queries against the the personas once every four hours I
640. 1:47:20can kind of limit that artificially and then if it becomes popular and people are like well we want this to be dynamic
641. 1:47:27and then either I sell it or I'll I'll Shuffle it off to someone else to develop it you know that actually knows
642. 1:47:34what they're doing so it's a great question though all right so look it it actually fixed our thing we've got a bunch of different stories
643. 1:47:45here now it also looks like it wrote okay all right so that's so that's good enough for now so so it says it got these things just
644. 1:47:56now Innovative sustainable so let me ask it something tck uh ticktock pin I'm a toddler in a self-driving car without a
645. 1:48:05map we'll get there this is this is really good hey do me this is really good this is a good metaphor dang it hang on I'm trying to
646. 1:48:15expand your little talk bubble but I don't know where we're going yeah that's that's exactly I don't
647. 1:48:24know if you were here earlier hey me but I was talking about I feel like we're all fish that were raised in a concrete
648. 1:48:30tank and then they scooped us up and put us in a truck and drove us to a river and threw us into a river it's still
649. 1:48:38water we're still swimming but it is a completely different environment like we have we are in no way prepared to deal
650. 1:48:46with all this [ __ ] so all right oh and by the way um it's really true yeah the salon so go to so hey hey. me go to the
651. 1:48:58salon. scroll down a little bit click on the link that says join our community so the AI Salon is a community of about
652. 1:49:053,000 people that are AI optimists who are all trying to figure this [ __ ] out here's what makes the salon different
653. 1:49:11there are lots and lots and lots of AI communities a lot of them focus on the technology of AI right what are the
654. 1:49:21weights and what are the models and what are the open source and what all the all the [ __ ] that AI has been for 30 40 50
655. 1:49:29years is how do we build these tools to be good right the AI Salon was founded the week after chat GPT launched I'm looking at
656. 1:49:41the launch of chat GPT November 30th 2022 as the beginning of a new era where Ai and machine learning has been democratized to the
657. 1:49:5398.5% of us that are not engineers and researchers we're just people trying to use this [ __ ] we're trying to figure out
658. 1:50:02what does this mean for my job what does this mean for my life can I write a musical if I already wanted to write one
659. 1:50:08yeah you can right like what it means is remarkable but it's but it is literally we're not a fish out of water we're a
660. 1:50:16fish in very different water right um and so that's what the salon's all about so go join in the salon and the there's
661. 1:50:24a little like seven-step welcome process step two is introduce yourself be generous about how you introduce
662. 1:50:30yourself use your real name go in there and say Here's what I'm doing here's what I'm trying to figure out I'm excited I'm scared I'm
663. 1:50:37whatever and it is a remarkably powerful Community because it's full of people that are generous and smart and curious
664. 1:50:48and fun and playful and it takes a lot of the pressure off having to learn AI all right followup pin oh okay I'm going
665. 1:50:58and no I'm product play Creative big picture yeah so you're G to be great at AI I I'm describing AI as um couple of things the the era is re
666. 1:51:11revenge of the liberal arts major I think people that have broad perspectives are going to be superstars
667. 1:51:17in a generative AI world I think people that are too narrowly focused are going to struggle unless they can kind of come
668. 1:51:24up get their head above water and look across they call it a t-shaped personality where you're really good at
669. 1:51:29one thing but you also have perspective across disciplines um I think those are going to be like unicorns people that can do
670. 1:51:38the the horizontal thing really well but then go deep in a particular area um but you're right Kyle not knowing coding is
671. 1:51:46is the Bumblebee that doesn't know he can't fly yeah I'm niche as [ __ ] and don't know anything about AI
672. 1:51:53yeah yeah Pate doesn't know anything about Ai and is working on making the machines that make AI U more efficient
673. 1:52:01and make AI better which is pretty cool um okay let me get back to this for a second and then we'll we'll kind of stop
674. 1:52:08for tonight um I just want to get it to to to fix this article in the middle um because right now it's it's like we've
675. 1:52:16got a short little description here and then that's the only thing I've got here there's no [ __ ] article
676. 1:52:23right I can click out to read the full article latest entertainment story News 4 yeah this is not even pulling real
677. 1:52:29news yet uh so wait let's go tell it that maybe that's what we need to fix first um it looks like we still have lots of
678. 1:52:41fake data in the news feed I thought our goal was to go get real news what up question
679. 1:52:59mark and by the way when I start when you're able to just talk to these things with voice and you can just sit back and
680. 1:53:06I could probably set it up right now some version of this um I'm gonna totally talk to these things like no no loser you'll fix it
681. 1:53:18YouTube John Harris damn it Kyle I'm still stuck on lovable now I'm gonna have another subscription I know I know
682. 1:53:26I got a I got a note from Dr J today she said um I went to lovable and I I I gave it an app idea and now I have an app it
683. 1:53:34built me an app this is so cool it is this is it this is pretty seriously cool stuff um what why is this is this hung
684. 1:53:45did I hang it I think I hung it I confused it um hello hello reload
685. 1:54:03that copy reload John Harris I have a new app I get sucked in every time I watch yes well that's listen here's the whole
686. 1:54:18point of this channel it is none of us none of us I don't care how [ __ ] smart you are I don't care how
687. 1:54:30experienced you are I don't care if you [ __ ] invented AI none of us know what is really possible with these
688. 1:54:42tools and you can't experience it until you experience it which I know sounds like a a yogiism a yogi Bea kind of
689. 1:54:50thing you you know you you can't exper it until you experience it it's impossible for someone to tell you what
690. 1:54:56AI is and what it makes possible because it's so vast the whole purpose of this channel is just to be in the
691. 1:55:02conversation enough to go like ah let me give it a shot he seems excited about it [ __ ] it and then you go there and you're
692. 1:55:10like oh my God I had no idea that's the whole point of the channel is just play play play do [ __ ] that you think you
693. 1:55:19would not be interested in do [ __ ] that you think that no that you know do [ __ ] that you are absolutely convinced you have no
694. 1:55:28right to ever do let's say you're not Technical and the last thing you could have ever imagined in your life that you
695. 1:55:36would write a software application go [ __ ] write a software application it will blow your [ __ ] mind and what it will do is it will
696. 1:55:45reveal to you oh [ __ ] every single limitation that I thought I had is about to be obliterated and then what do you do with that
697. 1:56:01information I don't know you start asking yourself questions like well what do I want to do in the world how do I want to impact
698. 1:56:12people because my dream when I was seven was too blank and then stepdaddy told me I wasn't talented and I shut that down and I got my law
699. 1:56:25degree and I've been in a law practice forever but my dream was always that well go back to that right like that's
700. 1:56:34that's what we all have the opportunity to do here so all right hey me um my mind blown we are [ __ ] haha so I don't think well
701. 1:56:47okay I think that sentiment okay okay let me let me show you one thing uh Brandon if you could put the screen back
702. 1:56:55up I want to show something on the AI salon so when you get to the AI Salon there's a welcome video by myself
703. 1:57:03and my co-founder Leah uh and then we talk about this journey to AI Readiness which is play first mindfully create
704. 1:57:10generously lead but then right below that there's this this little mini article this so I stumbled upon this Epiphany on a live about a
705. 1:57:21month ago go and what hit me was we are all going through or or are going to go through something akin to the five stages of
706. 1:57:36grief but it's with AI and it's not necessarily a bad thing but it's definitely some stages and and so I worked with chat GPT
707. 1:57:46you know live on the channel to really look at how is adopting AI on a personal basis you know similar to the five stages of
708. 1:57:58grief and so so I actually mapped it to the five stages of grief and and what it what it created is [ __ ] brilliant so the first stage is
709. 1:58:07dismissal or denial oh it hallucinates it's just a prediction engine it's just a stochastic parrot it can't be you know
710. 1:58:16it can't be original because it's just been trained on stuff it's the world's greatest plagiarism machine all of that [ __ ]
711. 1:58:23is people living in fear dismissing it because they're afraid of it and I and listen it from the outside AI is way [ __ ]
712. 1:58:38more terrifying way more so that's stage one and I think there's a lot of people in that I think there's even people in that stage who
713. 1:58:47have tried chat GPT and maybe it maybe it didn't give them what they wanted and so they're like I've got time it's it's
714. 1:58:53a piece of [ __ ] I'm good I call me when it's decent right stage two is the one stage two is kind of the red pill blue pill moment
715. 1:59:07where once it happens thank you so much who gave me that bunny thank you so much that's that's very generous and
716. 1:59:14appreciative stage two is your is what what I call the Kevin mallister moment so if you remember Home Alone that moment
717. 1:59:24stage two is AI does something that you know personally and it's so good at it that you're like like like your jaw literally drops
718. 1:59:36open and you can't unse it you can't unknow you're like well I'm a copywriter but you know it's not good at creative
719. 1:59:43writing and then you put a prompt in there and all of a sudden you see oh [ __ ] it is good at creative writing
720. 1:59:52or you know it can do a project plan or it can make a backlog of the backlog and you go holy [ __ ] so that's
721. 2:00:02stage two is just this awe of like I had no idea I had a call with a guy once where he said oh yeah I use chat GPT all
722. 2:00:10the time and then I got on the call and I showed him two or three things and his jaw dropped open and he said Kyle I I
723. 2:00:17have to go I don't know how to process this he goes II had no idea that that's what this was and he and he hung up he left the
724. 2:00:26call right so stage two is that moment where you realize personally something is different stage three is what you just
725. 2:00:35described hay is oh my God this is incredible and holy [ __ ] we're [ __ ] right it is it is this this duality of
726. 2:00:46Wonder and fear and I think I find myself right now flipping between uh stage three and stage four the Wonder
727. 2:00:55and fear thing is absolutely true the more you use these tools the more I tend to lean toward Wonder than fear because
728. 2:01:04you you know you fear things you don't understand stage four is this is a really powerful one and it's it's this
729. 2:01:12statement AI isn't replacing me it's extending me or it's amplifying me that's a really powerful one that's where you realize oh [ __ ] I'm
730. 2:01:25lucky enough to live at a time where I can take this tool that can take my idea and amplify it and put it into the world
731. 2:01:32more quickly and more powerfully that's incredibly empowering and then the fifth stage I don't think the technology is
732. 2:01:38quite here yet but this is a phrase that I stole from uh David Shapiro cognitive hyper abundance that you realize that you are the
733. 2:01:50bottleneck to your own Ambitions and and stage five is where you give up the EGO part of that and say [ __ ] it these machines are way more
734. 2:01:59capable than me I'm gonna let AI Take the Wheel right and you kind of give over to it and see what happens right
735. 2:02:08and and cognitive hyper abundance is like imagine if you had a thousand PhD level employees that worked for you what
736. 2:02:18would you do that's that stage I don't think the text there right now but I think that's where we're headed and I
737. 2:02:24think that's a real letting go of human hubris to to think that we have to be the center of the execution um so anyway I I just wanted
738. 2:02:38to share that because I think that wonder and fear stage stage three is a really important one okay all right I'm going to get out of
739. 2:02:47here let me wrap up a couple of things um to tomorrow's Wednesday so tomorrow at 400 PM Mountain Time an Murphy and I
740. 2:02:58are doing our third episode of the AI Readiness project I think you're here an hi an um if you haven't joined us it's
741. 2:03:07going to be uh streaming live on the AI Salon uh channel it's going to be streaming live on she leads AI which is
742. 2:03:16ANS Community it's streaming live on my Twitter my LinkedIn I think on L ANS LinkedIn okay um couple other requests if you're on
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745. 2:03:46that would be really appreciated if not absolutely cool too um and go do that and and all of the recordings of my Tik Tok lives and these
746. 2:03:58lives since I've been streaming to YouTube are all there so you can go back if if if you really dig listening to my
747. 2:04:04dog sing and me act like an idiot you can there there are I think at this point we're probably at about seven or
748. 2:04:11800 hours of programming so have at it and pin all right an Murphy it's gonna be so good Adnan uh wait I forget
749. 2:04:20I don't know how to say his last name if eector um our guest he was a fan favorite he's amazing so so Adnan
750. 2:04:29incredibly brilliant guy with like off the charts EQ emotional intelligence he's so smart but he's so connected as a
751. 2:04:39human being that he's using this AI stuff in really powerful ways so join us the the the whole purpose of the AI Readiness project podcast
752. 2:04:52is to not talk about the technology we we did so so this was inspired out of we did AI Festivus back in December where we had 34 different
753. 2:05:02speakers come in and 34 different speakers none of them talked about technology they all talked about what AI
754. 2:05:09meant to them as people and then they would demonstrate technology but it wasn't about the technology it was about
755. 2:05:15them as people and so that's the whole point of the podcast is what does this stuff mean what is the future of work
756. 2:05:21are you feeling like holy [ __ ] we're screwed or are you feeling likeoh my God this is going to change everything for
757. 2:05:29me and this going to be the best thing ever like all of us you're probably somewhere in between but that's what
758. 2:05:34we're exploring and it changes on a week-by-week basis also so anyway so I'm excited all right that's it I'm gonna
759. 2:05:40get out of here I'll see you tomorrow so four o'clock I'll be live with an for that and then 8 o'clock I'll be back
760. 2:05:46here doing this nonsense and maybe we'll dig around more with lovable I'll see if I can get that after any further than it is all
761. 2:05:58right Matt says hi to an and Kyle hello Britt says bye goodbye Brit all right uh YouTube I'm gonna peace out on you guys
762. 2:06:06and Twitter and Linkedin peace out I'll see you tomorrow bye boom all right