6/22/2026 - Why Creative Professionals are Leaving the Industry and What Comes Next

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1. 0:00Evening, good evening. It is Monday, June 22nd, 2026. Welcome to the AI Learning Lab. My name's Kyle Shannon. Welcome to the AI Salon. Um
2. 0:12pull up a chair. Let's dig in. Let's start talking about some stuff that's happening. I was out most of last week.
3. 0:18We had the show Monday, so it's been a week. So, welcome back everybody. Um I'm back in the saddle, back in the studio. And uh
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11. 1:26So, welcome everybody. Um I'm trying to think where I want to begin tonight. Um I don't see any comments, so if
12. 1:36someone could post a comment or two, that would be great, just so I can see that people are here. I mean, I can see that you're here, but
13. 1:43let me see that the the site is functional in case there's something going on. Um I think that the the biggest news still
14. 1:57is that Anthropic still doesn't have their model. I saw a thing today that they're going to be making some sort of announcement
15. 2:06in the next 24 hours. Um it sounds like the government hasn't giving them get hasn't given them any real clear indication
16. 2:16of what the export control is about other than there was some jailbreak thing that according to Anthropic didn't seem that
17. 2:23serious and didn't seem like it was more than what um other models can currently do. Um I don't know if that's true or not.
18. 2:33One of the one of the things that is driving me absolutely batty right now is that I don't know if it's misinformation or
19. 2:45just bad journalism or just bad social media. But the way that I've historically kind of vetted that a story was in the neighborhood of true
20. 3:01>> [laughter] >> was you know, if I saw it show up 10 different times from people I knew and trusted, I'm like, "Okay, that must
21. 3:12be a real thing." And what's happened with this Anthropic thing is there's just [ __ ] journalism going on out there
22. 3:23and a lot of speculation, a lot of chat TMZ stuff. Um by the way, I still haven't seen a single person comment. If you're in the
23. 3:32stream, can you can someone who's got comment access access actually comment? Because maybe I need to Brandon, is this thing on? Okay. So
24. 3:44Brandon just posted there. Okay, cool. Um But like there was a there was a report that comment perfect one of the uh
25. 3:59one of the congressmen or senators Mark what's his name Mark uh I forget his last name said that the NSA
26. 4:09that all of the servers of the NSA had been hacked in hours not weeks. Um and then the reporter himself after he saw
27. 4:24his comment take off like wildfire said well I actually didn't give you the whole context and that wasn't really
28. 4:31what he was talking about but I wanted kind of a strong you know comment in my Twitter post and so I just did that. Hey Fabiana. Um and so
29. 4:46one of the things that's been driving me batty is that with with the with the anthropic story in particular I I have zero confidence
30. 4:57in any of the stories. Like I'm seeing screenshots of official websites and posts from official people and they're all contradictory
31. 5:10and they're all I don't know. I I don't know what's real anymore. And so I I think it's more than just misinformation.
32. 5:28I like I I Okay. So So here's here's what I'm going to here's what I'm going to dig into tonight. Uh-oh. See producer Brandon is hovering
33. 5:41over a a post at night. No, we might need to do something here. Um I'm good. Okay. I've been talking about
34. 5:57this stuff for a while. That
35. 6:13our world a lot of where the value of our world is is generated is in the outputs of what people create.
36. 6:33I normally get my news from you. I I know. And so, hey, sorry for that. >> [laughter] >> I'm generally I'm generally decent and
37. 6:43I'm you know, I try to be I try to be not too chatty TMZ-like, but I'll get into it occasionally, but but but we're we're something is
38. 6:53shifting. So, anyway, so let me let me dig into this deeper. So, it used to be that well, I think it still is to a large degree
39. 7:03that the value in our society is driven by the outputs of the work of humans. So, if you're a musician and you make
40. 7:13and record songs or you do live shows, your outputs are the thing that you derive value from. If you're a programmer and you write
41. 7:23code, the code is the thing that becomes the software that becomes the SaaS product that generates the money. So,
42. 7:29your code is the thing that generates the value. If you're a reporter, your words and your journalism and your investigation and
43. 7:38your vetting of those words is where the value is.
44. 7:53Two things are happening simultaneously. About 3 weeks ago, we hit we hit a a point that people didn't think would
45. 8:03come, which was the point at which AI-generated content surpassed human-generated content for the first time in history.
46. 8:13And And I think that's going to just keep escalating, right? So, that the internet at some point here relatively shortly, 2 years,
47. 8:22is going to be primarily AI-generated stuff. And we'll probably still go to it, and we'll probably occasionally do something, but
48. 8:32the implications of that are that the outputs of human beings are increasingly valueless.
49. 8:49I saw a TikTok video. I think it was this weekend, Friday or Saturday. It was Friday. And No, it was Saturday.
50. 9:03It was this musician who lives in Nashville. He's a producer. He's also a recording musician, right?
51. 9:20So, if he wants to make an album, because he's a producer, he can produce and master his own album, right? So, his cost for
52. 9:29producing an album is effectively zero. It's just his time, right? So, he writes the songs, he records the songs, he produces them, he
53. 9:37masters them, and he puts them on to whatever, Spotify, this, that, the other. And it was it was a video of him
54. 9:46basically saying I'm leaving the industry. And he wasn't pissed off. But he was like
55. 10:03YouTube now you cannot opt opt out of this. If you upload music to YouTube music, you are agreeing that they can use that
56. 10:12as training data for AI. Spotify now has a remix feature that anything uploaded to Spotify can be remixed using AI to make some other thing.
57. 10:22The original artists, I don't think get compensated for this. I think this is just part of the agreement. You're just
58. 10:27giving this stuff away. And there's there's a ton of AI music on Spotify anyway, and right? And it's just
59. 10:34going to get worse and worse and worse and worse. So So part of it is the Producer Brandon got booted, he's now back. Um
60. 10:47part of it is the the the value of that artifact, he's recognizing like it's been bad for a while, and it's
61. 10:55getting way worse, and it's about to get way worse. And then he said, but I'm in Nashville. So like So So what what a lot of people
62. 11:04say is well maybe you make the songs with AI, but then you perform them live, and that's where you're going to make
63. 11:09your money. And he said, the problem with that is Live Nation during COVID was just basically buying up all the
64. 11:16venues. So Live Nation owns all the venues. And so the venues used to have margins of like 13%. They now have margins of
65. 11:24like 3%. So independent venues are um failing, going out of business. And then they're just getting snatched
66. 11:33up by Live Nation, which you can't make any money if you do a show with Live Nation. So, so the live thing is effectively
67. 11:41out. The writing thing is effectively out. The producing thing is effectively out. The distribution thing is effectively out.
68. 11:52And then toward the end of the video, I mean, he was just sort of talking about sort of all of these factors that have
69. 11:57kind of led him to this place of just, yeah, I'm just going to be done now. Be- because he can just he can he can
70. 12:06look at the landscape. He's living in Nashville. He's living in the home of music. And he's like, this can't this is not a business anymore.
71. 12:19And we had the same thing with with programmers back in December. Wait a minute, I'm not coding anymore.
72. 12:26Opus 4.6 is good enough that I don't need to code anymore. I'm I'm now my job is babysitting agents. And I don't know if I like this job. I
73. 12:37liked coding. Coding is what gave me pleasure, the problem-solving. And now I'm looking at this like journalism has been [ __ ] up and weird
74. 12:50for 20, 30 years, but it's getting weirder and weirder and weirder. And as someone who >> [snorts]
75. 13:05>> I'm not a voracious reader. I don't have sort of single trusted points. I'm kind of breathing in what's happening out there.
76. 13:16And what's happening is the noise is far outpacing the signal. It's harder and harder to find the signal.
77. 13:30>> And that post about the musician, so it it feels to me like the first thing that I saw where there was like just
78. 13:40a clear shift that happened was December of 2025. And now we're in June 2026, so 6 months later I mean, musicians have been been talking
79. 13:55about stuff for a while, but this is the first the first post that I saw that just was like a professional
80. 14:02that knows the business and knows how to be successful in the business looking at all of the piece parts of the business
81. 14:09going, this thing is fundamentally transforming. And at the end of his his talk about himself he said about 6 months ago a musician
82. 14:18friend of his basically took a day job and stopped doing music. He said it's just not worth it and that and he said for 6 months
83. 14:31he was kind of lamenting this guy like you've given up your dream and you've right? And at the end of his video he said I I get it. He goes
84. 14:44my friend is no longer stressed out about making the next paycheck. He's no longer stressed out about how to do recording deals or how to do
85. 14:55you know, make money with this stuff or how to gig or right? He's just collecting paychecks and doing what he's doing.
86. 15:09And in both of their cases they took a thing that they loved and they plugged it into to machine that could generate money
87. 15:23for doing the thing that they loved. And I would consider anyone who's doing something that they love and they get paid for it
88. 15:34to be a very, very lucky person, right? If you're doing a job just for money, that can be kind of soul-crushing and and things like that.
89. 15:43But if you can find that overlap, even a little bit, there's parts of my job I love and there's these other parts that
90. 15:49I hate, but I really love that part and I'm getting paid for it. Yeah, exactly. Time for the blueberries. What's striking me is that
91. 16:08this musician that was giving up on it
92. 16:30is going to have to flip some sort of switch in his head that separates these two things. And if you're an artist, you kind of do
93. 16:43this anyway, right? If you're an artist, you do art because you love it. But if you're a professional artist,
94. 16:50you're a professional graphic designer, you're a professional filmmaker, you're a professional musician. And now you can extend that into
95. 16:57knowledge work. You're a professional statistician, you're a professional researcher, you're a professional writer, you're a journalist.
96. 17:06If you love the thing and it's tied to the economic engine that is how you make money, that relationship is about to be
97. 17:20severed. Like forcibly severed. Like AI is not just It's not just that people lose their job. It's that the ability to take the output
98. 17:35and monetize the output is going away. So then, and it's not going away like it's never
99. 17:51coming back, it's going away like the machine that was the music industry that could always adapt and do all these things,
100. 18:00we're in this weird place where it's it's going to start not being able to adapt. And maybe some pieces of the music
101. 18:08business adapt and keep moving forward, but there's going to be whole other economic models that emerge that we can't imagine right now.
102. 18:18And so So if if the thing you love to do and the economic engine and all of a sudden the economic engine just kind of crumbles,
103. 18:27then I think it what it's going to force people to do is say, "Was the thing I was doing for money the thing I still love?
104. 18:36Do I love doing the thing so much that if they took away the money, that would still be the thing I choose to do?"
105. 18:53And then the reason you do what you choose to do is because that's the thing that you would do if they took the money away,
106. 19:01right? Like Like if money were new no object, because the whole economic machine is about to cease, would you still do that thing?
107. 19:16And if the answer is any version of no, then you have you're in the middle of the great repurpose. Right? So, within the AI Salon
108. 19:27mastermind, we've got this whole section now called the great repurpose where we're talking about the future of work.
109. 19:35And as terrifying as this sounds, because as I'm saying it, it's terrifying. We as a society, globally, we we will
110. 19:50figure the money piece out. I know it doesn't feel like that right now, but we will. We will adapt, right? When COVID happened,
111. 19:59they wrote checks, they said stay home, we figured it out. Same thing's going to happen here. And if the thing that you went to school
112. 20:14for, and the thing that you have been in business for for 20 years, all of a sudden is no longer economically viable,
113. 20:26then I think we all get to have the opportunity to go, was that the thing that I would choose to do today if money were no object?
114. 20:39If I can't rely on that thing, the outputs that I used to do to make the money, well, then what would I choose to do?
115. 20:48And so, we're going to be in this weird period where people are going to be driving Ubers until those get automated,
116. 20:54and they're going to be starting blueberry stands and jam stands and bespoke chicken jerky stands. Everyone's going to be scrambling to
117. 21:05figure stuff out, but in that scramble I think to a person we're going to be forced to confront Well, what would I do?
118. 21:22What would I choose to do? Kelly Kemp, I've had to reinvent my entire career four times. It's not fun, but I'm still here. Yeah.
119. 21:37And I mean, you had to you had to reinvent your entire career while the economic engine of those new careers
120. 21:45that you moved into the the engines themselves were relatively stable. You maybe had to skill up and learn
121. 21:53different skills, right? You were you were, you know, doing construction stuff and then you wanted to move to a
122. 21:58different kind of skill set, design or whatever it was. I know a little bit about your story. But the construction engine and the
123. 22:08design engine, those economic engines were relatively consistent, right? They might have been changing a bit and
124. 22:15dynamics change and the housing crash of 2008 [ __ ] some things up, but the the engine itself functioned effectively the same. Right?
125. 22:29We're getting to this place where the engines themselves are just going to no longer work. Because you've got all these nested dependencies
126. 22:39that all assume value at some point in the chain of the output of the humans, right? I'm going to make this report. That report
127. 22:48has value. That report's going to go to the insurance company and they're going to charge you money to give you money
128. 22:53for when you lose the thing and like all of the interdependencies of of all of the economic outputs are about to be redefined
129. 23:04because the value of the output, if they get oversaturated, drops to zero. And so, what's Where does the money flow? I don't know.
130. 23:19I don't know. Kelly Camp, true, there's some overlap in each career. My sweet spot is managing creative processes.
131. 23:33Yeah, and and you know, we're going to get to And if you're playing with agents, you're probably experiencing this.
132. 23:44You can take your expertise in creative processes and you can say, "Hey Codex, or hey Claude Co-work,
133. 23:53here's these 17 steps that I do, that if I do these 17 steps really well, good creative work comes out the other side."
134. 24:04And you can train it to do that, and so then it's going to do that. And then good creative work's going to come out the other side.
135. 24:12I think the thing that remains uniquely human is who decides what to ask it to do and who decides if it's good or not,
136. 24:24if it's a qualitative output, our judgment, our taste becomes valuable, remains valuable, probably increases in value,
137. 24:38but the outputs themselves don't. So, So, why am I going on about this? Because a thing that I'm witnessing again and
138. 24:48again and again and again and again and again and again is that people are like, "Oh, well, my outputs used to be these reports I
139. 24:59did at the company I worked for, but they fired me. So, now I'm going to try to do those reports in the real world.
140. 25:05And then that doesn't work. And they're like, well, I could teach other people how to make those reports. And so, my
141. 25:10output is going to be a workshop that teaches people how to make the reports that used to pay me. Like, there's all
142. 25:15these assumptions that the thing that you did, the outputs that you made, are still going to have value to someone
143. 25:23somewhere at some point future. What if they don't? What if your outputs
144. 25:39are valueless? That the only real value is in you as a human being doing something that lights you up? Because you know what is amazingly
145. 25:54valuable? When you're around people that are doing what they love. You're like, I want more of that. And if we're entering a world where
146. 26:09people are doing these things that used to generate value just because they used to generate value, they're going to be increasingly
147. 26:20demoralized, right? And they're going to be like, I keep doing the same thing and it keeps not producing. And and like the
148. 26:26the their morale is just going to be down. Who's going to want to hang around those people? Not many.
149. 26:31But the people that are like, oh, wait a minute. The fact that all of those outputs are now valueless means that
150. 26:42Okay, there's this old cliche. Um the journey is the destination. Right? The journey is the destination.
151. 26:56We live in a world that's about destination monetization. I make the report, I do the thing, I went to this school, I have this degree,
152. 27:06this degree has this amount of monetary value. This thing that I do for this corporation has this amount of monetary value.
153. 27:15And we always paid lip service to, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll enjoy it along the way." And then you don't because you're like,
154. 27:23"Well, if I do this, then I get to the next output thing that'll have more value, and then I can turn that into a company,
155. 27:30and then I can that company will make outputs that more people will buy, and then I'll sell my company." It's all about the outputs.
156. 27:39The pursuit of the outputs. You're like, "But Kyle, you know, they make these things in a factory.
157. 27:54Those are not going to No, those are going to be made by robots. The The These outputs are going to be valueless, too.
158. 28:21Mary Chester, embracing the pivot is crucial to reinvent yourself. I couldn't have imagined doing just one thing all my life.
159. 28:29Yes, KK, the overlapping skills. Coming in hot for a Monday. Well, here's the thing.
160. 28:45This is why we created the mastermind. I didn't When we first created the mastermind, it was it was essentially a year ago today.
161. 28:53We created the mastermind. And what I initially imagined the mastermind being about was for people that are doing
162. 29:08outputs that are like a level up, right? If everyone's doing this level of AI slop there are some people that are using AI
163. 29:19to raise the game, right? One of the things we talked about in the mastermind practice lab is raising your game.
164. 29:25You're doing this stuff, how do you raise your game? And so people that are doing mindful intentional work using AI tools, they're
165. 29:35raising their game. The quality of that output is higher faster, better, cheaper than than the average noise coming out of AI.
166. 29:45And that's valuable right now. And then whatever it was, three three three and a half four months ago we stumbled on this idea of the great
167. 29:55repurpose that even if you keep your job your job's not going to be the same. And that because of that we have an opportunity, but we might
168. 30:06also be forced into having to say, "Well, wait a minute. If my job was my purpose what's my new purpose? The great repurpose." And why I'm
169. 30:22what struck me about that video with the musician is that it's
170. 30:47>> Okay. Trying to Trying to think of the right
171. 31:02metaphor here. But it's almost like we're a capitalist society. It's almost like we've been playing Monopoly
172. 31:16for a hundred years. 150 years. Industrial revolution, right? We've been playing Monopoly. And it's been a essentially the same game. And
173. 31:29we play in different neighborhoods and we have different pieces and the cards change things and then sometimes someone
174. 31:35gets pissed off and knocks all the pieces off the board or we have the Great Depression, but it's still the
175. 31:40Monopoly board and we're we're still playing Monopoly, right? And
176. 31:55we all look at the world as this Monopoly board and we know the rules of Monopoly and we're kind of jealous of
177. 32:02people that live on Park Place and Boardwalk. And there's more of them now and there's less of us. There's no one living in the
178. 32:09middle. We're kind of living properties. We're on Baltic Avenue. We've got the shoe. We didn't want the
179. 32:16shoe. We wanted the car, but we got the shoe cuz we picked our piece last. I do have a Monopoly game behind us.
180. 32:30We're playing Monopoly. This is the This is the dot-com edition.
181. 32:46The last big technical revolution. Right? We know the board. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Go straight Go directly to jail.
182. 32:57Right? Free parking. Oh, thank god. We're at the end of the game. I need free parking. Whoever owns What were the Atlantic
183. 33:07Avenue? Whoever owns the yellow ones and the green ones, they're going to kick your ass at the end of the game. And
184. 33:24the new game is a combination between chess, Quidditch, and quantum mechanics hide-and-go-seek.
185. 33:39You're like, "What?" You're like, "Yeah, you Some people are going to be on brooms throwing balls through a thing that's in the air.
186. 33:46Um but it's way more complicated. There's a lot more pieces. But you have to fly. You have to You have to know how to be on the broom.
187. 33:53And then you have to be good at throwing the ball, but you also need to be smart enough to play chess.
188. 33:57Oh, but Oh, but also, um people that can make themselves invisible and wormhole to some other location in the playing
189. 34:06space, which by the way, the playing space is not just size of a board game. It's more like the size of the solar system. >> [snorts]
190. 34:18>> That's what we're That's That's the shift we're in the middle of. When I talk about the seven economies and how
191. 34:24weird it's going to be if you're in one of the lower economies playing Monopoly, you know the rules of Monopoly. The
192. 34:32rules of Monopoly are you you get good at music, you learn to record it, you build relationships with powerful people
193. 34:41that fall in love with you and give you a break, and then you do the thing and the You just We know the rules.
194. 34:53And then you're like, "What are those What What are they doing up flying up there?" Oh, that's the new economy. And you're like,
195. 35:01"Well, where does my music Oh, we don't need your music. We've got all the music we need. It's just It's It's constantly
196. 35:09Everyone just makes their own. It's just all what they are It's exactly what they all want." What? Like not even in the same universe.
197. 35:25And what's [ __ ] up is I think even within the AI salon,
198. 35:45I think even within myself, like I am dragging myself kicking and screaming into the agentic world.
199. 36:00Like I knew when Open Claw came out, I've got to figure it out. I'm going to figure it out. I figured everything else
200. 36:05out. I'm going to figure it out. And so I started playing with Claude and I made or Open Claw and I made Adam, and
201. 36:13Adam was stupid because I didn't know what I was doing, and now I'm using Codex and I'm sort of getting a clue and it's sort of better.
202. 36:22But it's like I'm like, "Can I just like use Chat GPT and make a cool thing? You can. But that thing's going to be valueless.
203. 36:37So unless the actual value to me is the process of making the thing with chat GPT or whatever midjourney, whatever it is, Suno. If my entire
204. 36:52source of value, purpose is in the process of doing that then great, I should do that. But if I have any expectations
205. 37:09that the thing that I can make with the AI is going to have value I'm still playing Monopoly.
206. 37:26The agentic thing is this other kind of game. It's one of these other games. It's Quidditch chess. And then whatever the [ __ ] mythos and
207. 37:39and the new models can do are with new harnesses that do increasingly sophisticated stuff without us having to think about it at all.
208. 37:51If you're not up there playing, learning how to [ __ ] time hop through quantum wormholes you're just going to be down here
209. 38:06playing the Monopoly game. Right? And and he Let's Let's keep going with the Monopoly metaphor, okay?
210. 38:13The Monopoly metaphor is today's current business environment. Today's current economic environment is Monopoly. What
211. 38:21happens when you play Monopoly? The not as bright, hot-headed person of the family fairly early on gets angry flicks their money off the
212. 38:36board and says, "Fuck it. You take my money. I'm out." And you're like, "But we're playing a game." "Fuck
213. 38:42it, I'm out." And they just leave. And then there's like four of you left going like, "Oh [ __ ] how do we pick up the pieces here?"
214. 38:50And then And then that angry person will like go watch TV in the next room and they're like eating chips loudly. Angrily. Right?
215. 39:01That's the analog economy. That's economy one. And some people will be like, "I hate Monopoly. I don't want it. I'm I'm over
216. 39:08here. I'm I'm over there. I'm I don't like your stupid [ __ ] game." And then there's going to be this thing up here.
217. 39:19And I think at every level of these, if you're playing the new expansive game, if you're playing some version of Monopoly, or if you
218. 39:27go off and not playing the game at all. The only thing that that resonates with me of what is going to give you any sense of sanity
219. 39:43is if you're doing the thing that you would be doing anyway. You didn't have to make money. >> [laughter] >> And this is
220. 39:55this is like a really perverse version of follow your bliss, which I know has gotten a a load of [ __ ]
221. 40:03you know, since the since the late '90s and the Successories posters. Follow your bliss and go start your own thing and all will be
222. 40:12right with the world. But I think those people that can figure out how to tap into the thing that they're passionate about.
223. 40:24This is the thing that lights me up. Those people are going to attract more people. And if the people that they attract are
224. 40:34people who are doing [ __ ] that lights them up, if you have five of those people, if you have someone that's like, "I love
225. 40:43doing this thing I do." And they hook up with someone else that loves doing what they do. And they loves doing You got five of them.
226. 40:51And their bond is some version of we get to do this. And they've got access to these AI tools,
227. 41:05like literally the sky's the limit. Their value will be like intense and magnified because everyone else is going to be fighting over the
228. 41:16Monopoly pieces or just tapping out altogether. How's that for a Monday?
229. 41:32You want to melt down Monday? All of our [ __ ] is valueless. Oh, wait. Go ahead. What was that from Kim?
230. 41:39Midjourney medical is blowing my mind. Kyle, what are your thoughts? Feels like the reality is leveling this this
231. 41:44reality is leveling up. This reality is leveling up. Um assuming the tech is real. So, if you don't know,
232. 41:54Midjourney last week while I was while I was out we we thought we were going to get um we we thought [laughter] we were going to get um
233. 42:03chat GPT 5.6. We might get that this week, but who knows? I don't I don't care anymore. I really don't. I If um if the government still has
234. 42:11Anthropic's stuff on a leash, then I I if I were OpenAI, I wouldn't launch anything until that's some version of settled.
235. 42:20So, I I don't even expect to see anything from OpenAI this week. But, last week on whatever it was, Wednesday, Midjourney said,
236. 42:30"Hang on to your hats, we're announcing a a hardware device tomorrow." And people were like, "Oh, is it
237. 42:37glasses?" And they're like, "It's not glasses." And what they created is a hypersonic a ring of of hypersonic sensors
238. 42:52that if you dip this ring in water and you shoot the sound waves at a body, the things that reflect it back, it's
239. 42:59basically like full-body imaging, like an MRI machine, >> [clears throat] >> with incredibly high level of precision
240. 43:08and done in 60 seconds. You basically go into a spa, like literally a spa, you stand on a plate and they dunk you in water over 60 seconds,
241. 43:19and these sound waves, you know, in a ring, blast your body, and it does full-body scanning for in 60
242. 43:27seconds, like casual full-body scanning. Um, I have a lot of thoughts on it, Cam. I I think that I mean, one of the things that was wild
243. 43:41to me was they haven't even applied AI to the results yet. They just figured out that they could basically put a little
244. 43:54transducer, a little sound transducer on a teeny chip, and a whole bunch of them, like, what was it? Like 4,000 of them on a on an array,
245. 44:03like about that big. >> [snorts] >> So, they figured out that technology, and then they figured out those sound
246. 44:09waves going through water had this special property and then they figured if they could put them in a ring and dump someone in a
247. 44:17>> [laughter] >> in a vat they could completely reinvent medical imaging. I'm kind of not interested in Monopoly
248. 44:30either. I want economy one space fleet. Yeah, there you go. I can model a robot that looks like me. And one person wins all. I don't know
249. 44:41but I don't think that's that's the case actually. Um okay, so I have so many thoughts on this. One is if you don't know this Midjourney
250. 44:56their their CEO's a this wacky dude. He doesn't give two shits about he cares about what he cares about nothing else. We now live in a world
251. 45:09where CEOs can just do [ __ ] Elon can say I want to dig holes in rocks and pull vacuums in them so
252. 45:23vehicles can go really fast in them and I'm going to create a solar company and I'm going to create a rocket company and I'm going to
253. 45:31And this guy's like I've got an image generation company. And what did he do before that? He did some other interesting thing before it.
254. 45:40I forget what it was. Some mathy kind of thing. And he's like, "Well, it's not really an image company. It's really a world model
255. 45:47company but we're not we're not going to show you what we're doing with the world models. That shit's coming." And now he's like,
256. 45:52"Now I'm going to do medical I'm going to completely reinvent medical imaging." You You I've got a video company and I'm
257. 46:02trying to produce a musical. I've got the eye salon. Like you can just do [ __ ] You can just do [ __ ] So so part of what
258. 46:12struck me about Midjourney medical is just the audacity. But that's the world we're moving into. You can just have an idea and go do it.
259. 46:33What are you passionate about? What do you care about? I don't know why he's passionate about medical imaging.
260. 46:38May- maybe he just loves sound waves. Maybe someone in his family if they had better imaging sooner something would have been
261. 46:49a life would have been saved. I don't Who knows? We've all got our things. The other thing about Midjourney
262. 46:59they have zero investors. Zero. They've run that that business on cash flow. I think they have two or 300 million dollars in annual revenue.
263. 47:09They have a relatively small staff. And so he can do whatever the [ __ ] he wants. He's not beholden to shareholders. Oh,
264. 47:18you must monetize the image generation tool. He's like, "Nah, now I'm going to make spas. First one's going to be in
265. 47:24Union Square, New York and we're going to completely reinvent full body imaging from $2,000 a shot to 50 bucks and a latte." >> [laughter]
266. 47:39>> So the world is going to be ruled by the Tony Starks of the world. Yes. We all get to be Tony Stark. This is the thing.
267. 47:49What is the thing that you would do even if you knew it couldn't make money. And then you just start doing that
268. 48:05passionately. And take AI and apply it to that or not. Just go full analog. Or do it half and half. Here's the thing that I love.
269. 48:17I love fly tying, but what I really want is I want to design a chemical coating for feathers that when I tie a dry fly, it will never
270. 48:28sink. It will never waterlog. And so I'm going to go to the material science and I'm going to invent a whole new kind of feather treatment.
271. 48:41And then it turns out that your feather treatment, because you love fly tying, is also really good for Whatever that is.
272. 48:50It's going to revolutionize that whole industry. And you're like, "Well, why don't I just go do that, too?" Well,
273. 49:09Apparently, it's writing for me. That's good. With only a little hubris thrown in. Yeah. First one will be in San Francisco. Oh,
274. 49:18it's San Francisco. I thought it was New York. I guess San Francisco has a Union Square as well. Yeah, you know what's
275. 49:24funny, Cam, is I was like, "It's weird cuz I'm pretty sure Midjourney's in San Francisco. Why is he talking about New
276. 49:30York?" But it was Union Square. They They They They make They make a spray called NeverWet, Kyle. Yeah, I know they
277. 49:38do. And you know And you know what NeverWet does? It gets waterlogged after after a bit. It doesn't work. >> [laughter]
278. 49:48>> Believe me, I invented a line of fishing flies. Um But I think that
279. 50:06things like that, novel way to do full body imaging, what we're entering so so when you take
280. 50:20you take a Mythos level model, right? The the these models that can crack cryptography and do all that dangerous [ __ ]
281. 50:31they're also going to be able to do all the the positive [ __ ] And what's going to happen is you're going to have people that feel
282. 50:39passionately about something that have very little expertise in how to do it. So so you're going to end up with people that are casual
283. 50:52revolutionary innovators. Huh, I wonder if you could blah blah blah. Cuz if if if you could do that, then
284. 51:04that would solve this problem, which would that would make it really cool to do this thing I love to do. Huh,
285. 51:10I wonder if you could do that. Hey Mythos, is it possible to ha ha ha Sure.
286. 51:25Here's the physics. Here's the physical design. Here's the manufacturing thing. You know, hit accept to to
287. 51:34manufacture that thing. A prototype. And then a week later, you've got a prototype or an hour later that is the thing that no one has had
288. 51:47ever conceived before. Our job is literally going to be
289. 52:03What would you do if you knew that none of what you do could make you money? >> [laughter] >> This I know this is depressing.
290. 52:20I know this is [ __ ] up. And what timeline am I talking about? I don't know, probably 10 years. But if you're playing in this AI stuff,
291. 52:30like increasingly, like the farther the farther I go into this uncomfortable place where I don't want to go, I want
292. 52:36to keep playing Monopoly to be clear. Cuz I understand the rules of the game. I'm pretty good at them. Not great.
293. 52:45But I But I at least understand the rules of the game. I know that the yellow and green corner is is an awesome corner.
294. 52:53Park Place and Broadway, very sexy, very seductive, but you lose your ass up there. Right? If you play Monopoly, you know.
295. 53:03You know the general thing. You know who's going to kick whose ass in any given game of Monopoly. We know the game.
296. 53:11I don't even like Quidditch. I don't want to fly on a broom. All right, it's kind of fun.
297. 53:25And it's almost like those people that tap into in in humans 2.0. We talk about being in an expansive state. When you're When you're in an
298. 53:40expensive state, you're magnetic. Like people want to be around people who are tapped into
299. 53:56like up and out energy. I have an intention and it goes Right? And if you're in your small place, I was in my small place all day
300. 54:07today. I call him small me. Small me. I was in my small place all day. When you're in your small place, any single thing that you think of
301. 54:16things like, "Well, that's like small." And do you ever talk to someone where you talk to them and you're like, "Hey, how you doing?"
302. 54:27Yeah, I tried to move the piece from here to here. I I needed to roll a three, but I rolled a four, and so now I
303. 54:33went one extra and I can't go back. You're like, "Uh yeah, that sucks. How do I get out of this conversation?"
304. 54:43Right? You don't want to be around people that are just like consumed with the pieces and the boards and they didn't get what they wanted.
305. 54:52But you're around someone that's like, you know, "How'd your day go?" "Holy [ __ ] Can Can I tell you about what just
306. 54:58happened?" "Yeah, what happened?" "I had an idea." "O- Okay, cool. And And what?" "And then I did a thing." Like when
307. 55:06you're around those people, you're like, "Holy shit." Like you can feel the energy. I think it's always been the case that that energy
308. 55:21is the attractive energy. That energy is why people swarm around the flame. Right? That's That's where the life is. The value of that
309. 55:37in a world where all the outputs are valueless essentially is infinite. Because that person is going to take
310. 55:46that energy and these [ __ ] remarkable tools and combine them in some way that's going to go and change the world.
311. 55:57They're going to be like Tony Stark. They're going to literally be like magicians. I take this expansive energy, this open out energy.
312. 56:08I understand who I am. I understand what lights me up. I'm going to be in that place and then I'm going to use all these tools to Anyway.
313. 56:21>> [laughter] >> My fly is dry. We'll be selling roses in restaurants during dinner. Yes. Never moist. >> [laughter]
314. 56:36>> All right, Chef Kelly. I was trying to be poignant. Yes, according to the official rules there is only Oh, oh only
315. 56:42one winner at the end of the Monopoly game. The game concludes when every player has gone bankrupt and has been
316. 56:46eliminated, leaving the Yeah, exactly. Right. This This game This earth that we're in right now Elon Musk just became a trillionaire.
317. 57:02He's taking all of the money. And what Elon Musk realizes, if you listen to any of his recent interviews, is he realizes that none of those
318. 57:13dollars are going to have any value. It doesn't matter. He's literally saying just print money. It doesn't matter. Just print the money.
319. 57:25Just print the money. I saw an interview with him today. He's like, we're we're we're about to live in a world
320. 57:39it's all stupid. It is. It's all stupid. And yes, as Chef Kelly said, that game leads to a single a single victor. >> [laughter]
321. 57:50>> And that's what we're all we're all trying to be that guy. One of the things that that Elon Musk said today, and this this is an epiphany
322. 57:59that hit me, I don't know, 2 weeks ago, week and a half 2 weeks ago in a Humans 2.0 call, AI is going to give us everything we ever
323. 58:08thought we wanted. It is. And then here's the really depressing part. Cuz we're going to survive the survival part. We are.
324. 58:22We'll figure that [ __ ] out. And then we're going to go into the abundance part. And everyone's going to
325. 58:28be like, I want this, and I want that, and I want this. They're going to get all that. And they might still think they're playing this game.
326. 58:37And they're going to get everything they ever wanted. And then what's going to happen is they're going to go uh what now?
327. 58:52That wasn't it. Right? And then there's going to be these people who realized sooner than the others it ain't about the [ __ ]
328. 59:07It ain't about the outputs. It's about who we are. It's about who we're being. And those are going to be the valuable people.
329. 59:19And like valuable in a very different way. Valuable in like, holy [ __ ] I need to be around that.
330. 59:30>> Yeah, oh, Andy, wait till everyone gets what they always wanted. Exactly. Nope, that wasn't it. Exactly. You got the jet skis.
331. 59:40You got the boats. You got the dry flies that all float better than they ever have. The fish are eating them like nobody's business.
332. 59:50>> [laughter] >> We only really wanted it in comparison to other people who couldn't get it. Elon can almost afford his 14 children,
333. 1:00:03nearly. He can't put them through college yet. Through college yet. He's got to be a a deca-trillionaire before
334. 1:00:10he can put his kids through college. Rosebud. Yeah.
335. 1:00:28Liz Miller Grishfeld to me. I'll leave you with this question, Kyle. What do you want more of? And if you were here that night when she
336. 1:00:40asked that question, it [ __ ] crushed me. And I think that was the first time in about 3 and 1/2 years that I was actually
337. 1:00:54quiet enough inside that I could hear the air going through the vents of my house.
338. 1:01:10What do you want more of? I'm okay with selling my tech for $15 million and retiring modestly. I'll swa- I'll swallow that jagged
339. 1:01:21little pill. >> [laughter] >> I know, I want that, too. Don't get me wrong. We still need to figure out Listen,
340. 1:01:28we are still playing Monopoly. We're still in this game. Until they just start printing money and handing it out, we're still in this game.
341. 1:01:37So, for some amount of years, I don't know if it's one or two or three or five, we are still in this game. So, if you
342. 1:01:45were a musician making your money at music and the music machine breaks, you're going to have to find out some other thing to do
343. 1:01:53in this game. But, those of us that can figure out sooner than later that this game is dying,
344. 1:02:12we can start figuring out what that other game is. In fact, we can start writing the rules of the new game.
345. 1:02:23It's like that Twilight Zone episode, a nice place to visit. Exactly. Charles Adams in my therapy days, I was
346. 1:02:31always telling people to seek the struggles, not to not the end of them. Seeking the end tended to be the end avoidance of some kind. Yes.
347. 1:02:40Yes, we're going to hit this age of abundance where everyone's going to be like, "Oh, everything's easy now." Elon
348. 1:02:45Musk talked about this today. He goes, "If it's easy, that will not end well." It's going to end with abundance and civil unrest.
349. 1:03:00Cuz you need the struggle. The obstacle is the path. Yeah, this this thing of the journey is the destination, I think in this game,
350. 1:03:16the journey is the destination is a successories poster that has no meaning. But in the crazy Quidditch chess quantum hide-and-seek game
351. 1:03:33that's essentially the rules of the game. [ __ ] wild. It's wild, man. And even though I'm in Colorado, I've
352. 1:03:47not been smoking pot.
353. 1:04:12We need the inequity, too. We are status-seeking creatures so we can organize. We have no idea how to do what's coming.
354. 1:04:19I think it's one of the great filters. I agree with that. Absolutely. Chef Kelly Kelly, yes, sir. Rewrite those worlds. I'd say
355. 1:04:26I'll accept my karma for prioritizing money, but the truth is um it would finally be my karma. Yep. In that game, people go directly to jail
356. 1:04:37and I think we need more of that. Yeah. Wild. Thank goodness I'm the obstacle. That's a good comment. Noemi [clears throat]
357. 1:04:50you missed a good one. It was a meltdown Monday. I've been ranting for an hour and a half. Um or an hour. Um
358. 1:05:00So, let me tell you So, let me drop a level a level more tactical. Let me get out of the clouds. Cuz everything that I just talked about
359. 1:05:09ain't here yet. We're still playing Monopoly. So, if anything I just said sounded like, "But yeah, Kyle, I still got to pay rent."
360. 1:05:18I understand that cuz we're still playing Monopoly. But it's probably going to happen pretty fast that some of those rules just change.
361. 1:05:32What do you mean they just change? Well, remember COVID? One Thursday, they were like, "Oh yeah, just don't leave the house anymore." What?
362. 1:05:45That's not a rule. No, it is now. For how long? Year? Month? We I we don't know.
363. 1:05:59So, at some point AI is going to do some version of that to those rules. Dang, oh man, I miss these. >> [laughter]
364. 1:06:14>> LGG Yeah, for 2 weeks they sold us a bridge. Yeah. They sold us a bridge for 2 weeks and then was it 18 months we were in the house?
365. 1:06:35People are just going to write checks. And you know what's funny, even 6 months ago when Elon Musk said, "Oh sh- they
366. 1:06:43should just write checks." When he was doing all that doge [ __ ] and it was just like he he lost his [ __ ] mind.
367. 1:06:49He's like, "No, they're just going to write checks." I was like, "No, they But like in that game, they can't just write checks."
368. 1:06:59But those rules Those rules are about to not exist. And so, there's going to be some other games where they can just write checks.
369. 1:07:08And the just writing checks phase will be the transition phase where money used to mean something and then at some point it didn't.
370. 1:07:28It felt like 4 years, Kyle. Yeah. I was doing corporate carpentry. I didn't lose an hour for COVID. Yeah. Yeah.
371. 1:07:38This is the thing. Some of the There There are a bunch of people on the planet right now that actually don't
372. 1:07:43really play by this They're not playing this game. And they're likely going to be fine. Even if they're in AI or not in AI, if
373. 1:07:52they're not playing this game, if they're playing this other game, they're going to be fine. Those people might look like coaches.
374. 1:07:59They might look like I don't know. Community organizers. They might look, you know, people that are just connecting and and being the light.
375. 1:08:12Think about human beings. There There are certain human beings in this world that are light houses. And we're out there on these chaotic
376. 1:08:20[ __ ] seas. Like, where do we go? Where do we Is that a light? Go towards the light. So, those people already exist. They're
377. 1:08:29just They're the minority right now because this is a big noisy game. Um So, I want to talk about Codex today.
378. 1:08:42So, if you haven't played with agentic tools, Codex, Claude, co-work, Claude code, Cursor just got bought for $60 billion by XAI.
379. 1:08:57Um that's more of a true coding platform, but they're all going to do the same [ __ ] Um Hermes, Open Claw.
380. 1:09:09There's probably going to be a dozen of them. Perplexity computer. I've been talking about them for a while in here. I was talking about
381. 1:09:20you don't do prompting anymore, you do loops. So, here's a thing that I did today.
382. 1:09:37Do me a favor. Oh, there's a Monopoly image in Learning Lab chat. Cool. Um do me a favor in the on the purple
383. 1:09:47sticky, Brandon, if you could just give me bullet points of what are the events this these week this week? That'd be great. So, about
384. 1:09:593 months ago, I think I talked about it on here. My co-founder of of Storyvine, Monique, at like 8:00 in the morning said, "Hey, um
385. 1:10:14I don't think we show up like when people ask for like automated video or authentic video in ChatGPT,
386. 1:10:20like we don't come up. Is there some way to make us come up in those things in those chats?" And I said, "Yeah, I think there's a
387. 1:10:28thing you do. It's like SEO, but it's this other thing." And so, I went to Claude at 8:00 in the morning, and by 8:45 Claude
388. 1:10:39had analyzed my website, told me all of the different thingies that I need, wrote them, and then basically wrote an installation
389. 1:10:49manual. Here's how you go update all this on your site. Um And so I sent it to Monique and she's like, "Oh, this is great." And so we
390. 1:11:03have a tech team in the Czech Republic in Prague. And I presented it to them and they're like, "Great. We'll get on that as soon
391. 1:11:11as we do all these other priority things that we're building for your clients." And so that was 3 months ago. And they haven't gotten to it.
392. 1:11:20And we've still got more [ __ ] Here's the good news. Our clients are still liking us and they're wanting us to add
393. 1:11:27features to our product. And so they're paying us money to make [ __ ] in our product. Cool. That means that
394. 1:11:38this thing that they were going to do hasn't gotten done and it won't get done probably until September.
395. 1:11:47And then there's another nuance to this. Andy, if you're still on the call, this will this will this will be painfully familiar. So,
396. 1:12:00three different times in my life where I've had someone outside of me build me a website, I said, "My number one priority is I
397. 1:12:10want you to build the website. I want it to be easily updateable by non-technologists." >> [laughter] >> One for the AI Salon website, fail.
398. 1:12:22One for another website for a for a smaller business, fail. And one for Storyvine. My my product manager at the time, who
399. 1:12:30no longer works for us, um allowed our tech team to convince him to build our website in Cloud Cannon,
400. 1:12:40which if you if you've never heard of, it's for good reason. Cloud Cannon uses some proprietary its own version of HTML that some engineer
401. 1:12:52decided was more efficient than HTML. So, it looks like HTML, but you have to learn some other [ __ ] language to be
402. 1:12:59able to update anything in it. And it's a it's a basically a relational database disguising itself as a website.
403. 1:13:10So, our our current Storyvine website is built in CloudCannon, and then we've got a blog that's in Webflow. So, we've got
404. 1:13:17two different platforms. But but just updating like, "Hey, can we just move this thing from here to here
405. 1:13:23in it?" is like a full-on programming task. >> [snorts] >> So, I went to Codex. And I said, "Hey,
406. 1:13:37>> [snorts] >> here's some files that Claude made that analyzed our website and said, 'Here's what you should do to make it discoverable.'"
407. 1:13:46And so, I uploaded those all up into Codex. And I said, "Can you just do some analysis and tell me, A, do you
408. 1:13:53understand these instructions? And B, if you think it's plausible to do them." And and I kind of had this face the
409. 1:14:01whole time. I'm like, "Is this This is probably stupid, right?" Cuz I'm just imagining our website is it just gets destroyed.
410. 1:14:11And so, it read them and it said, "Yeah, I can I understand them and I Here's the thing and then here's the thing." And
411. 1:14:17so, I was like, "Okay, I'm going to go get my credentials for CloudCannon." >> [laughter] >> And so, I logged into CloudCannon. I said,
412. 1:14:29"Okay, go. Go do your thing." And it started it logged into CloudCannon. It started finding files. It started finding
413. 1:14:39directories. It started finding mistakes in there. It it went into the HTML and started editing HTML. And I'm like, "Oh my god,
414. 1:14:48what am I doing? Oh my god, what am I doing?" And then at one point, it like a save button come up came up and it said, you
415. 1:14:56know, "Do you want to commit these change? Do you want to save these changes?" And I was like, "Okay." Click.
416. 1:15:04Saved and did all of its thing and and then it it said, "Do you want to push these things live?" And you know, I I did a little bit of
417. 1:15:12back and forth with it. Um it took about 45 minutes, but it completed the task. So, like the Storyvine website now has an LLM-S.txt
418. 1:15:27file. It has an updated robots file. It's got updated SEO things that it that were all [ __ ] up in it because no one an SEO expert
419. 1:15:36didn't build our website. Technologists did. Um and and it was live. And my my full-on expectation was this will
420. 1:15:52be janky, it won't work, and it will break my website. Like you should never do what I did today. You should never just go in and let a
421. 1:16:01tool that you don't know and trust edit your live production site. Even if it's just a marketing website, you just
422. 1:16:08shouldn't do it, but I did it cuz [ __ ] it. I figured I could have revert reverted. Oh, be sure to tell the team so they
423. 1:16:18won't eat it in the next update. That's the thing, our website isn't updated enough that they would even know. They
424. 1:16:22they're basically starting from scratch each time. Um but that was a good lesson for me. Like I'm I don't know how to think like these
425. 1:16:32agentic tools think. And so I'm having to learn that and it feels very foreign and it feels very much like I don't I I literally don't
426. 1:16:44know what the [ __ ] they're doing. And and that's going to get worse and worse and worse or better and better and better depending on
427. 1:16:51your mental framing. But the idea of being a really good prompt engineer and being being the master of a tool
428. 1:17:04feels increasingly quaint to me. And this new game this Quidditch chess quantum hide and seek game you just need to be in the game.
429. 1:17:19And you just need to be in the game tied to who you are and what you're passionate about. Even if you don't understand the game.
430. 1:17:26It's going to feel weird because all of our lives this is the game we went to school for. This is the game that every single
431. 1:17:35business is built upon. And so if you're going to go play the other game it ain't going to feel like this. And so
432. 1:17:45that's kind of lesson for tonight. Okay. Couple of things. We're getting ready to wrap up here. So this week there's a lot going on in
433. 1:17:55the AI Salon. If you're a mastermind member, we got lots. Um if you're not a mastermind mem- member you should think about joining the
434. 1:18:05mastermind. There's really good stuff going on. So tomorrow we've got our bi-weekly um great repurpose mastermind.
435. 1:18:12So that is the group. Um this started as a decouple your identity from work workshop that Andy Skerrettino did. She
436. 1:18:20decided to keep this thing rolling as a bi-weekly meeting where we're talking about not talking about we're creating the future of work.
437. 1:18:30So a lot of the stuff that I just talked about tonight that group that's what we're talking like what does that actually look like?
438. 1:18:38How do we go from playing in this world to whatever the [ __ ] is coming? We're going to create that.
439. 1:18:45Because there aren't any rules. We don't know the new rules. They're weird. Okay? Um so that's tomorrow. Tomorrow at 11:30
440. 1:18:54a.m. Eastern. So 9:30 Mountain time. Um AI Life Hacks is tomorrow is Wednesday. Um that's at 7:30 p.m. Eastern. So 5:30
441. 1:19:06So you can go to Life Hacks and then you can come to AI Learning Lab. Friday, we've got AI Salon Office Hours.
442. 1:19:12Those office hours meetings are really good and getting better. Um and then also on Friday, um Gareth's group AI for All Minds. So if you're
443. 1:19:22neuro spicy, if you got the if you got the ADHD going and you got the the the little touch of the tism. You got all that stuff. AUDHD.
444. 1:19:31Right? If you're neuro spicy, Gareth's put together a group of people like, how do we use this stuff? How do
445. 1:19:39we How do we take our superpowers and amplify it with these these tools? Okay? Um Please, please, please, if you're a
446. 1:19:50member of the Mastermind, I see Sunny Yoon in here. Um if you're a member of the Mastermind, go to these meetings. I know it's
447. 1:19:59overwhelming right now. I know everything's [ __ ] weird right now. I know it's summer right now. Connect with these people in these
448. 1:20:07meetings. This is the place where we're going to figure [ __ ] out. The Great Repurpose is it ain't optional.
449. 1:20:21I don't know how long it's going to take, but I'll tell you what, just like the AI Learning Lab, I wanted to be in the [ __ ] conversation
450. 1:20:28about what is this AI stuff. The Great Repurpose is is the next version of that. I'm going to be in those conversations because that
451. 1:20:38is about us. AI Learning Lab was about AI. Great Repurpose is about us. How do we play that new game?
452. 1:20:47How do we escape the rules of this game? What's that transition look like? That's what we're creating. So, anyway, so if
453. 1:20:53you haven't been to a mastermind event in in a while, come tomorrow. If you're in the mastermind, 9:30 Mountain Time, 11:30 Eastern. Okay.
454. 1:21:03Noemi, I've been missing my mastermind events. Yes. It's been so crazy during the day, I know. Sorry about that. I will start
455. 1:21:10catching up with the videos. This is my favorite membership. Yeah, it's it's it's really good people. Read the read read the latest news on
456. 1:21:21Fable. It's not good. Okay. Yeah. So, again, I would not be at all surprised if we have officially seen our last
457. 1:21:32publicly available frontier model release. We'll see. Um Do we have time? Let me go see Fable. Fable
458. 1:21:50latest
459. 1:22:11A lot of people saying there's Let me see. Hang on.
460. 1:22:36>> A Japanese model claims to be mythos level performance without risk of export controls. I don't see any news for Fable. Wait, uh
461. 1:22:47Claude Fable 5 restored by July 1st. Oh, Polymarket 34% chance. Justin, Claude Fable 5 projected to be restored for US US customers
462. 1:23:02by next Friday. All right, who knows? Doesn't [ __ ] matter. It it it it really doesn't matter. Um okay, I'm going to get y'all out of
463. 1:23:14here a little bit early. I'm not seeing anything new. Yeah, I haven't seen anything new. Um Herb, good to see you. Digital Gods,
464. 1:23:23thank you as always. Cam Catkin. Tobias! What's happening? I hope you're in the hot tub. >> [laughter]
465. 1:23:32>> I remember one night Tobias was in the hot tub. He dropped his phone or he dropped his computer or something like
466. 1:23:38that. He just disappeared. He came back. >> [laughter] >> Ah! All right, everybody. Um have yourself a wonderful evening. I will see
467. 1:23:49you Wednesday. He remembers. He had He had a wine too many apparently that night. Um >> [clears throat] >> yeah, I'll see you Wednesday. Um
468. 1:23:59not sure what we'll do yet. We'll see if there's any new news. I'd be surprised if OpenAI dropped anything this week if
469. 1:24:05there's still uncertainty with Fable. Um anyway, peace out, everybody. Have yourself a fantastic evening and I will see you
470. 1:24:14tomorrow if you're in the mastermind. Come hang out. Bye.